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40. "Some of y'all never learn, do you?"
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Mon Apr-21-08 09:05 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

Don't fight with O_E about Pulp Fiction. Cuz you know he doesn't like it, and you know some of his points are spot on.

The main issue people can hold with Pulp Fiction is that it's style over substance. I like Pulp Fiction, but this is true. I'd say this is true of all but one of QT's films (I'm a Jackie Brown man myself... it's the only one where the relationships really transcend completely the hip ironic dialogue imo).

THEN the issue that THAT causes is that critics who enjoyed it can't simply enjoy a flick for what it is. So they have to analyze into it. And I've read full books on Tarantinian ethic codes, long lists of allusions QT ties together seamlessly in a brilliant fashion, and shot-by-shot analysis of what each frame of the film means. When I would imagine that QT didn't think while making it that he was doing anything revolutionary. He hasn't in any of his flicks-- he just makes critically acceptable genres of film that critics traditionally hate by adding flashy dialogue, a sure-handed eye for visuals, and some cool actors.

The bottom line is, this is a guy who admittedly spent his childhood watching B-movies incessantly. He watched kung fu, blaxploitation, grindhouse flicks, et cetera. He's never gonna be interested in capturing the subtleties of relationships, human drama, or even anything that isn't either cool, bloody, or both. Look at his films. Look at the films he's written. Look at the films he's produced (horror and kung fu). Look at his upcoming project (the war movie which undoubtedly will be far more The Dirty Dozen than Saving Private Ryan). The guy is basically a little kid who is brilliant at recreating the B-movie genres he loves so much.

While having someone with QT's pizzazz does make these films very enjoyable, they shouldn't have been elevated past the critical levels of "fun, entertaining, refreshing" and so forth. But movie critics tend to not be able to simply enjoy an auteur for what he/she is. So that's where the overly in-depth analysis comes in. And having read a lot of it for this paper I'm working on, I can safely say some people have faaaar too much time on their hands. If Pulp Fiction was a critic's favorite flick of the year, then that's totally fine, but don't create reasons why you like it, just say it's fun and entertaining-- shit, X-Men 2 is one of my favorite films of the last decade, but I'm not trying to analyze it to death.

So while I don't agree with the fervor with which O_E hates Pulp Fiction, I think it's clear that in between the lists of elements that sucked in the movie and the mentions of how big his dick is, mang, he makes good points about how the critical reception of Pulp Fiction (and QT's career, really) has really inhibited the ability to enjoy QT's works as what they are: flashy, star-studded, hip and cool B-movies. Outside of Jackie Brown, if you look at the film by itself and try to ignore the critical reception and its context in modern film history, I'd say that's just about all they are.

I doubt even the most fervent Pulp Fiction supporters would disagree with that (well, most of you anyway). Just don't let O_E's swagger blind you to the points he's making as to why he hates Pulp Fiction. If all you see is the swagger, then we're gonna end up with yet another 200-reply deep post of circular argument of "It sucks-no it doesn't- pleas copped- you're mad- no you're mad-etc." lol

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Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked? [View all] , icecold21, Sat Apr-19-08 02:23 AM
 
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On this website??? HARDLY!!!
Apr 19th 2008
1
Oh Christ, not this fucking can of worms again.
Apr 19th 2008
2
217 posts...pussy
Apr 19th 2008
3
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 19th 2008
4
^^^Tony Rocky Horror^^^
Apr 19th 2008
5
Heat sucked too.
Apr 19th 2008
6
Heat *is* kinda mediocre though.
Apr 19th 2008
8
Fulp Piction was that shit though
Apr 19th 2008
7
You are?
Apr 19th 2008
9
Oh, I meant to have "Am" at the beginning of that
Apr 20th 2008
16
I bought this porno dvd called Pulp Friction.
Apr 19th 2008
10
I got that... I didn't appreciate the male sodomy scene tho. :-\
Apr 19th 2008
11
      *cancels Booty Torrents search*
Apr 19th 2008
12
one of my FAV movies...
Apr 19th 2008
13
^^^O_E alias
Apr 19th 2008
14
I saw it for the first time a month ago
Apr 20th 2008
15
its still good for the dialogue
Apr 20th 2008
17
**MOONWALKS INTO POST, WEARING TIMBS**
Apr 20th 2008
18
No, people like Pulp Fiction because it's a great movie.
Apr 20th 2008
19
U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
20
      RE: U mad that Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 20th 2008
21
           I think most people are like you
Apr 20th 2008
22
           Wrong. Post #23.
Apr 20th 2008
24
           Yeah, you're either blind or in denial
Apr 20th 2008
23
                you analyze the fuck out of a flick you supposedly hate
Apr 20th 2008
25
                a)No, I'm just smart + b)Why are you mad?
Apr 20th 2008
26
                     what part of the game is this kid-like nonsense?
Apr 20th 2008
27
                          LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
28
                               RE: LMAO!!^^^FURIOUS
Apr 20th 2008
30
                                    "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 20th 2008
32
                                         RE: "BREATHE" (C) Fabo
Apr 21st 2008
46
                                              Lol. Now, THAT is ironic.
Apr 21st 2008
47
                                                   nah, that would be *fitting* as well, lol.
Apr 21st 2008
48
                                                        Lol. Wrong.
Apr 21st 2008
50
                                                             what is irony?
Apr 21st 2008
54
                                                                  You know, I actually charge for rhetoric lectures.
Apr 21st 2008
62
                Pulp Fiction is much better than Last Boy Scout
Apr 20th 2008
29
                     Lol. You are ethering yourself up in here, fam.
Apr 20th 2008
31
                          I think you've been sipping the latte
Apr 20th 2008
33
                               LOL. I suspect you're just joking at this stage.
Apr 20th 2008
34
                                    So we disagree
Apr 21st 2008
35
                                         HAHAHA. You're still COPPING PLEAS
Apr 21st 2008
37
                                              "Over the top but in a sensible way"
Apr 21st 2008
39
                                                   Now you're just being silly, cuzzo.
Apr 21st 2008
41
this is the dumbest shit ive ever read in PTP
Apr 21st 2008
36
Hahaha^^^Hurting inside
Apr 21st 2008
38
      Hahaha^^^Not a Charter Member
Apr 21st 2008
75
^^^ Big fan of "Madea's Family Reunion"
Apr 21st 2008
43
      ^^^Huge fan of my dick
Apr 21st 2008
44
ah, more mind reading
Apr 21st 2008
53
That's not mind reading. That's looking at facts and interpreting.
Apr 21st 2008
66
      you don't 'interpret' a human being
Apr 21st 2008
74
      Yes, actually... you can. Those people are called historians.
Apr 21st 2008
76
      FACT: A load of B movies are really smart
Apr 21st 2008
84
           oh and
Apr 22nd 2008
88
                I'm not trying to imply that they're vapid.
Apr 22nd 2008
94
                     in fact, there's a quote from Tarantino where he says
Apr 23rd 2008
127
                          LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
128
my only gripe is the "people like it because they're told to" cop out
Apr 21st 2008
58
But here's the problem.
Apr 21st 2008
68
true, but his argument is still bullshit
Apr 21st 2008
72
this singlehandedly justifies my Duke hate
Apr 22nd 2008
98
      Actually, I read that at OSU. LOL.
Apr 22nd 2008
103
           well my second statement still applies
Apr 22nd 2008
104
yeah, that sort of ranting is wild micro...
Apr 22nd 2008
90
You should really apologize to OE
Apr 22nd 2008
121
I like it, I liked it when i 1st saw it, and I'll always like
Apr 21st 2008
42
Brilliant
Apr 21st 2008
45
      I was about to do something stupid and get into an exchange
Apr 21st 2008
69
           ^^^Scared to death, scared to look.
Apr 21st 2008
82
                LMAO
Apr 22nd 2008
89
                U are very bright but quite the asshole
Apr 23rd 2008
135
Hmmm, I've seen this movie before.
Apr 21st 2008
49
^^brilliant post
Apr 21st 2008
51
i can see the backlash angle, or the over-analysis angle
Apr 21st 2008
52
Wow. I'm...speechless, fam.
Apr 21st 2008
55
yep, speechless cuz he ethered the fuck out of your whole BS argument
Apr 21st 2008
67
Whyteth are thou panties in a bunch?
Apr 21st 2008
79
Yes and No.
Apr 23rd 2008
145
U got it right
Apr 23rd 2008
136
what was so good about it?
Apr 21st 2008
56
Jesus H. Christ.
Apr 21st 2008
57
      ???
Apr 21st 2008
59
      kap... just don't
Apr 21st 2008
60
      Lol. You just answered your own question, kitko.
Apr 21st 2008
61
           nice attempt to evade, but no cigar.
Apr 21st 2008
63
                Hmm. I sense madness in your keystrokes.
Apr 21st 2008
64
                     actually, the amount of verbiage you expend suggests madness.
Apr 21st 2008
65
                          Oh, So Tarantino gets props for Al Green's popularity? Say word?
Apr 21st 2008
80
                               but that doesn't make any sense.
Apr 22nd 2008
91
                                    Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
96
      You're a fucking weirdo
Apr 23rd 2008
124
           You were doing fine until this part:
Apr 23rd 2008
126
give it a chance & watch it again
Apr 21st 2008
70
oh, and this post is in serious need of an Admiral Akbar appearance
Apr 21st 2008
71
It reaks of worms and minnows
Apr 21st 2008
73
It's a trap!
Apr 22nd 2008
87
Pulp Fiction>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forrest Gump
Apr 21st 2008
77
ppl are still arguing pulp fiction w/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
78
lol i'm sayin'
Apr 21st 2008
81
ppl are still expending effort on/ O_E?
Apr 21st 2008
85
I'm more amused by the fact that he's still wasting his time hatin
Apr 22nd 2008
92
      I'll tell you what's amusing
Apr 22nd 2008
95
           what the hell
Apr 22nd 2008
102
                *WAGS MUTUMBO FINGER*
Apr 22nd 2008
105
                     you saw the script a year before release?
Apr 22nd 2008
119
                          At least a year before.
Apr 22nd 2008
120
                               why? what kind of fluke led to that?
Apr 23rd 2008
131
                                    No, I been into film for longer than most of y'all.
Apr 23rd 2008
132
                                         reading scripts, fam?
Apr 23rd 2008
133
                                              Cmon
Apr 23rd 2008
134
post #71
Apr 22nd 2008
99
The best part is this:
Apr 22nd 2008
100
      LOL I had NO idea it would turn into this
Apr 23rd 2008
123
           You're spot on. Don't let these cats make you feel otherwise.
Apr 23rd 2008
129
                It's good to know i ain't by myself on this
Apr 23rd 2008
138
it's not even about 'pulp' anymore; it's about getting oe to relent
Apr 22nd 2008
109
      ^^^Again, being flippant without warrant.
Apr 22nd 2008
111
           please show me where i used the word "illogical" to describe you
Apr 22nd 2008
113
           LMMFAO!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
114
                you know what?
Apr 22nd 2008
118
           it was very much a zeitgeist film though
Apr 22nd 2008
115
                I know what a Zeitgeist is, big guy.
Apr 22nd 2008
116
                     I'm aware
Apr 23rd 2008
139
                          Fair enough. n/m
Apr 23rd 2008
140
                               ^ relenting
Apr 23rd 2008
141
                                    It was actually a pretty good flick now that I really think about it
Apr 23rd 2008
142
                                    **Attention Mods** ^^^Delete this Alias
Apr 23rd 2008
147
                                    Oh god, FILFication has spread to PTP
Apr 23rd 2008
148
                                    cross-boards archive fun:
Apr 23rd 2008
143
                                         that was the *exact* post I thought of
Apr 23rd 2008
144
                                              that's the first thing I thought of when you said that
Apr 23rd 2008
146
                                                   Yep. All sorts of interesting shit be going on.
Apr 23rd 2008
149
                                                        Disagreeing diplomatically = Agreeing
Apr 23rd 2008
150
                                                        You sound....a tad bit mad at Longo.
Apr 23rd 2008
151
                                                        That's like being angry at an echo
Apr 23rd 2008
153
                                                             Hmm. You still sound mad.
Apr 23rd 2008
154
                                                                  You still seem to like to talk about anything but the actual movie
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                        What? Dude, I'm writing a 20-page paper on Tarantino.
Apr 23rd 2008
158
                                                             Is the OP called "Do people go overboard about Pulp Fiction?"
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                  I don't know what I did to you, but alright fam.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                       LOL.
Apr 23rd 2008
161
                                                                            You misread on one key point.
Apr 23rd 2008
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                                                                                 Check out your timing
Apr 24th 2008
163
                                                                                      Ok.
Apr 24th 2008
165
                                                        ^^^ this post captures the Zeitgeist of Okayplayer
Apr 23rd 2008
152
                                                             That post was about redemption, by the way.
Apr 23rd 2008
155
                                                                  hahahaha - good shit
Apr 23rd 2008
156
RE: Spinoff: I am the only one that thought Pulp Fiction sucked?
Apr 21st 2008
83
Pulp Fiction is a man's movie...PERIOD
Apr 21st 2008
86
2 things
Apr 22nd 2008
93
Furious?
Apr 22nd 2008
97
      Enraged even.
Apr 22nd 2008
101
           No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
106
                RE: No homo
Apr 22nd 2008
110
                     Mad?
Apr 22nd 2008
112
                          lol
Apr 22nd 2008
117
I just thought it was ok. But then again most movies that most people...
Apr 22nd 2008
107
LMAO!!!^^^^POWERFUL CAMEO!!!!!
Apr 22nd 2008
108
      yo i'm dying , lmao
Apr 22nd 2008
122
           lmao
Apr 23rd 2008
125
           LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
130
                RE: LOL
Apr 23rd 2008
137
Wait, this isn't how I remember the movie ending
Apr 24th 2008
164

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