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144. "RE: Great points, but I think you're being a bit unfair too."
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>Or maybe Spike's movies of the 1990s were just not as good?

I count 10 Spike movies made in the '90s, and 6 of them are certifiably good, and hands down better than anything BPKBP can deliver.

>I remember when Malcolm X came out, I got the sense that Spike
>was peaking and it worried me... I hoped it would not be the
>case. But look at what he followed up with:

I definitely agree that MALCOLM X is Spike's pinnacle achievement. But to be fair, most directors hit a lull after big bio films. Oliver Stone after JFK (unless you consider NATURAL BORN KILLERS a well made movie - which it's not), Richard Attenboroug after GANDHI, even Steven Spielberg got burnt a little after SCHINDLER'S LIST (how he pulled off SAVING PRIVATE RYAN is anybody's guess).

>Crooklyn was wild uneven.

Very true.

>Girl 6 was a disaster (even though I kinda liked it)

God how I hate this movie.

>Clockers (Spike's attempt to simultaneously essay and lambast
>the BPKBP genre) was too stilted and didactic.

And it's a shame because the book is sooo good. Do yourself a favor and read Richard Price's books.
But again, I think if you go back and look at directors who tackle huge subjects, you find they follow up with less developed work. Plus, starting with MALCOLM X discounts MO BETTER BLUES and JUNGLE FEVER - two great movies from that era.

>I think the problem Spike faced was not so much as the
>competition from another genre, but competition from a market
>full of black films, period.

His problem was the studio, who used BPKBP as a shield. The studios saw bigger returns with BPKBP than say, a movie about racial identity, and started pumping out/better promoting the BPKBP flicks. Couple that with Spike's attitude (which shouldn't be a factor, but hey, if attitude wasn't a factor, Edward Norton would be playing the Hulk right now) and it becomes very clear why DEAD PRESIDENTS had more commercials airing than CLOCKERS (and lets be fair, DEAD PRESIDENTS is not better than CLOCKERS). So yes, it's very much a case of Spike vs. a genre.
The "canceling each other out" factor is a big one here too. It's why you're not supposed to put out 2 similar movies at the same time - they both fail, and not just at the theatre. I know a lot of people who don't know which movie they saw, PRESTIGE or ILLUSIONIST, on cable the other day. Or the dozen war movies that came out in '07/'08 when you only went to see THE HURT LOCKER.
And unfortunately, "Black people are in it" is viewed as a genre instead of just as casting.

>Spike was basically allowed to rule the late 80s and early 90s
>because he was essentially the only game in town (or rather,
>the great white shark in a pond full of goldfish like Charles
>Lane, Charles Burnett, James Bond III, etc.)
>Most of Spike's films were viewed as problematic as any number
>of reasons but he was allowed to pass because really, what
>other options were there?

I don't think people ignored failures in Spike's films or in his catalog because his peers weren't as good as him. Nor do I think people "assume" his movies are good because there are few black films of that time period. SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT is a good movie, it doesn't matter who is or isn't making movies in 1980-something.
I think people confuse problematic with social commentary. More often than not, complaints about his work stem from that.

>Once you had a surfeit of black filmmakers out there, Spike
>had to find a way to tighten his game... and I don't think he
>did. Instead, he seemed to grow resentful of the audience for
>not paying him unconditional loyalty.

I never once got the impression he was mad there was a John Singleton or Hughes Bros. out there getting their work seen. I get the impression he's mad at the fact these movies that are about little more than glorified poverty and waaaay-overglorified violence get/got more attention than his films. Can you blame him? I don't think he got weak as a filmmaker just because there's more blacks making films. I think he was more like "I'm making a movie about the Million Man March and you're watching a movie about lesbian bank robbers?"

>I think you need to view it as a reflection of the times. The
>LA riots had cast a light on the west coast gang scene...
>hip-hop music had gone "that way," too... we had the hysteria
>about metal detectors being installed in high schools... there
>was a general fascination with the reality of black-on-black
>violence after a decade in which the primary media avatar of
>the Black community was The Huxtables.

I think the films were a catalyst as well as a product of that. The music was sampling the movies, so clearly one didn't come before the other. The issue is the lack of diversity. Every fucking movie was about four young black guys standing in front of an old brick building shooting or trying not to get shot. While there certainly needs to be some films about that, it shouldn't be 90% of the output.

>This is unfair.
>Wesley Snipes DID rise pretty high... unfortunately, some
>problems in his personal life have grounded him but you can't
>take away his accomplishments in the field. And you don't know
>what he's going to do later, either. Imagine if you had summed
>up Robert Downey Jr's life in the same way in 1996.

The comparison is where they were in the '90s to where they are now, and how that differs for those that were in the BPKBP genre as opposed to those in other, namely rom-coms, genres.
Look at Wesley's work in the decades since the '90s. What kind of movies is he making? The same kind of movies he was making in the '90s, only now nobody was seeing them. That's not advancing. He wasn't grounded because of his taxes, he was grounded well before that. He was making lame action movies in the '90s (DEMOLITION MAN, anyone?) and he was making straight-to-dvd movies in the new millennium (THE CONTRACTOR for example). I don't say this out of spite, I think Wesley is one of the most underrused actors working. He's one of a very select few who can do action and drama very well. He should be huge. Nor do I say it to make fun of his incarceration (six years of hard time for not paying taxes is bullshit). But think about it logically. It's the '90s: George Clooney has ZERO movie star bankability, can barely get noticed on two different TV shows and could not carry a movie (remember ONE FINE DAY or THE PEACEMAKER?). He's not a better actor than Wesley, and Wesley's been in the business longer. Cut to today: George chooses what movie he wants to make. Can Wesley do that? Could Wesley ever do that?
That's the major point here: the movers and shakers of '90s rom-coms can make just about any movie they want. The movers and shakers of '90s BPKBP cannot.

>Ice-T (boring, yes... but he is a working and essentially
>respectable mainstream actor)

I'm sorry, but I don't consider landing a steady TV job as an advancement of your MOVIE career. He's only considered a respectable mainstream actor because Law & Order is heavily syndicated. Don't get me wrong, he does a fine job on L&O, but he's only on that show because his movie career didn't take off. Or have we forgotten his wonderful turn in SURVIVING THE GAME?

>Ice Cube

Can't front, you got me with Mr. Cube. He's probably the only one out that genre who can make whatever he wants. As to why he makes family films...

>Nia Long

Note the difference between advancing and sticking around. She went from being the teenager in those BPKBP films to being the 20-something in the ensuing black romances. Chances are good she'll end up playing the 30-something mom on a sitcom in a year or two. That's not advancing, that's playing what ever game is being played.

>Jada Pinkett

Advanced? What has she been in that advanced her career since the '90s? She may have been in a few movies that are better (don't sleep on her performance in REIGN OVER ME or BAMBOOZLED), but she gets less work now than she did then (which sucks, because she's a better actor now). And she still gets passed over for Jodie Foster.

>Cuba Gooding Jr. (yeah, he's stalling now, but he won a Oscar! IT >COUNT!)

Consider me a member of that group that hates on Mr. Gooding, deservedly so or not.

>2Pac (YES! Both his acting AND musical careers advanced as a
>result of Juice)

No, he didn't advance - he never made it out of that genre!

>Regina King
>Larry Gilliard Jr.
>Omar Epps
>Hassan Johnson
>Sticky Fingaz
>Fredro Starr
>Larenz Tate

None of these names have really advanced. Again, unless you consider "doing whatever work comes my way" as advancing.

>Forest Whitaker (director)

People forget that Forest was doing steady character actor work in bland white movies before the whole BPKBP genre picked up steam - and it's the main reason he's continued to get work. I can guarantee you cats hire him because he's worked with Oliver Stone and Clint Eastwood and not because of JASON'S LYRIC.

>Ernest Dickerson (director)

Ernest's career has advanced because of Spike, not because of JUICE or the cinematic masterpiece that is BULLETPROOF. While it is certainly different for directors than it is actors, and while I think Ernest's camera and directing skills are great, he hasn't made a movie since NEVER DIE ALONE (remember that wonderful DMX vehicle) in 2004. You call NEVER DIE ALONE advancing from JUICE? Ernest gets work because he has a strong TV resume and his shit looks good in those Spike flicks.

>and there are more, of course.

Again, if we're talking about cats who've stuck around - not moved up - then yes, there are more.

>Is Hustle & Flow more violent than the average "white" drama
>of its kind?

Oh God no, but the reason it was able to get backing is because of the precedent set by those '90s BPKBP flicks.

>It's been a long time since we had really violent black
>movies, I think

Word? You mean other than the movie about the poor girl who's raped by her stepfather, has multiple abortions, then gets AIDS? Or the movie where the main character wins by beating up Ludacris and going to jail?
What you see now are movies that use this hyper level of violence to tell dramatic stories. In short, the grown-up versions of all those '90s flicks.

>... After Friday, broad comedy replaced
>violence as the defining feature of the "hood movie."

Historically, this is true in every entertainment medium. You go from ultra violent to ultra goofy. That's not particular to black films.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

  

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Can I ask the PTP opinion of several 90's Black movies? [View all] , come on people, Thu Jan-27-11 08:28 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Dead Presidents
Jan 27th 2011
1
DP was ambutious but couldn't quite get it
Jan 27th 2011
15
That's really the movie they should have made
Jan 27th 2011
19
Yeah, DP was like a Frankenmovie made of pieces
Jan 27th 2011
23
      The production design really does save that movie
Jan 27th 2011
65
      agreed
Jan 28th 2011
205
I think the same could be said about the Hughes Bros' entire career
Jan 27th 2011
27
      American Pimp has emerged as the jewel in their crown.
Jan 27th 2011
43
      you're right. that was a great doc. definitely rewatchable and good 3rd ...
Jan 27th 2011
52
      I liked it better than Menace the first time I saw it
Jan 27th 2011
134
      RE: I think the same could be said about the Hughes Bros' entire career
Jan 28th 2011
234
Should have been longer
Jan 27th 2011
39
Exactly.
Jan 27th 2011
perfect
Jan 27th 2011
141
the movie is great as is
Jan 28th 2011
206
      Yeah, except no, it's not
Jan 28th 2011
220
RE: I don't know how i feel about DP
Jan 28th 2011
237
      Yeah, especially since this came out BEFORE Saving Private Ryan
Jan 29th 2011
239
           RE: There is no hero in the film
Jan 29th 2011
240
Set It Off
Jan 27th 2011
2
Underrated action flick
Jan 27th 2011
42
one of the best chases
Jan 27th 2011
68
I love this movie but would change a couple of things
Jan 27th 2011
95
Latifah deserved to go out like Pacino for sure.
Jan 27th 2011
156
a favorite of mine
Jan 28th 2011
204
under-rated
Jan 28th 2011
207
RE: i love it
Jan 28th 2011
233
Hoodlum
Jan 27th 2011
3
Tim Roth stole this. Chi McBride was great too.
Jan 27th 2011
133
not very good
Jan 27th 2011
142
Tim Roth was the actor of the '90s in my opinion
Jan 27th 2011
145
Poetic Justice
Jan 27th 2011
4
Another ambitious effort that fell short
Jan 27th 2011
46
no.
Jan 27th 2011
58
I'll say this about Love Jones
Jan 27th 2011
80
      *ding*
Jan 27th 2011
93
a good female actress in that makes Pac a movie star
Jan 27th 2011
74
Tupac was a fantastic actor
Jan 27th 2011
94
      REAL actors will tell you
Jan 27th 2011
135
           agreed. Pac would've been a star actor
Jan 28th 2011
211
This!
Jan 28th 2011
210
RE: thought it was terrible when i first saw it
Jan 28th 2011
228
RE: terrible film
Jan 28th 2011
229
Jason's Lyric
Jan 27th 2011
5
Pretty horrible movie - Southern version of Menace, kinda
Jan 27th 2011
30
the accents are the most egregious part of this movie.
Jan 27th 2011
37
no, you had it right the first time
Jan 27th 2011
82
don't forget the artsy, 'soulful' twist it gave the genre.
Jan 27th 2011
38
      allen payne's character was the prototype for TP's working-class heroes.
Jan 27th 2011
44
           ...which makes it fitting that TP built a show around him
Jan 27th 2011
51
                that negro was also getting scrap roles for years after JL
Jan 27th 2011
55
Another miscast movie
Jan 27th 2011
50
Yeah, I remember critics pointing that out
Jan 27th 2011
70
the fake southern accents HURT me.
Jan 27th 2011
166
hav plenty
Jan 27th 2011
6
I did not like this movie at all.
Jan 27th 2011
24
i liked it a lot at the time.
Jan 27th 2011
54
I thought it had some astute observations on romance at the time
Jan 27th 2011
53
That, it did.
Jan 27th 2011
66
      definitely undercooked
Jan 28th 2011
198
I dug it.
Jan 27th 2011
181
RE: corny as hell
Jan 28th 2011
232
Above the Rim
Jan 27th 2011
7
If you remember the soundtrack of the film better than the film itself.....
Jan 27th 2011
60
2Pac sure could play crazy.
Jan 27th 2011
71
Careful! That's 90% of the movies in this post
Jan 27th 2011
86
      ^^^Non-fiction
Jan 27th 2011
153
It had it's moments, but was fairly corny
Jan 27th 2011
96
How I Spent My Summer Vacation
Jan 27th 2011
8
i actually liked this movie...
Feb 02nd 2011
312
Menace II Society
Jan 27th 2011
9
there used to be a debate about which was better, this or BITH
Jan 27th 2011
49
Shameless nihilism, still very entertaining
Jan 27th 2011
67
most definitely
Jan 27th 2011
136
      it is the better film
Jan 28th 2011
212
Couldn't ever really care about Caine so once he died it was meh
Jan 27th 2011
139
i love it. it was before movies wore out the goodfellas model
Jan 27th 2011
143
one of the best of the '90s
Jan 27th 2011
180
PURE COMEDY
Jan 27th 2011
182
I know folks aren't still saying Menace is realistic?
Jan 28th 2011
209
so basically you want white people's opinions of 90s black movies?
Jan 27th 2011
10
sure why not. you mad?
Jan 27th 2011
11
      no. should i be?
Jan 27th 2011
16
           i don't think you should.
Jan 27th 2011
17
I think you need to be more specific.
Jan 27th 2011
12
RE: I think you need to be more specific.
Jan 27th 2011
13
      okay, be back later
Jan 27th 2011
14
If I can just speak on the genre for a second
Jan 27th 2011
18
I made a concerted effort to see every one of those 90s hood movies.
Jan 27th 2011
20
I never saw New Jersey Drive and Strapped.
Jan 27th 2011
21
I had no idea "Strapped" existed.
Jan 27th 2011
26
New Jeersey Drive isn't really that bad
Jan 27th 2011
106
New Jersey Drive actually is good
Jan 28th 2011
213
Great points, but I think you're being a bit unfair too.
Jan 27th 2011
22
      I think you addressed this pretty thoroughly
Jan 27th 2011
45
      Thanks.
Jan 27th 2011
47
     
           Hmmmm...
Jan 27th 2011
175
                RE: Hmmmm...
Jan 27th 2011
186
                Dead Presidents is WITHOUT A DOUBT a better film than Clockers
Feb 01st 2011
254
                     It is?
Feb 01st 2011
272
                          yes, it is
Feb 01st 2011
279
                               RE: yes, it is
Feb 01st 2011
284
                                    RE: yes, it is
Feb 01st 2011
287
                                         I do disagree, and will leave it here.
Feb 01st 2011
288
                                              RE: I do disagree, and will leave it here.
Feb 02nd 2011
295
can I add some more movies?
Jan 27th 2011
25
please do.
Jan 27th 2011
28
Crooklyn
Jan 27th 2011
29
blah - that little girl should have had more work though
Jan 27th 2011
130
They showed this at my college back in the day. Liked it then.
Jan 27th 2011
140
Disappointing
Jan 28th 2011
214
Lots to admire, just fell short
Jan 28th 2011
221
RE: a solid feel good film
Jan 28th 2011
230
pleasant, well-intentioned but forgettable, like The Inkwell
Feb 01st 2011
255
The Glass Shield.
Jan 27th 2011
31
another Hughesesque movie - and they made it appear Ice Cube
Jan 27th 2011
69
Don't remember much about it, except Michael Boatman
Jan 28th 2011
222
RE: I had never even heard of this film
Jan 29th 2011
242
To Sleep With Anger.
Jan 27th 2011
32
Criminally overlooked and underrated. Danny Glover is great
Jan 27th 2011
157
RE: A great unconventinal film
Feb 02nd 2011
307
Soul Food.
Jan 27th 2011
33
i thought this movie was terrible
Jan 28th 2011
216
RE: full of cliches
Jan 28th 2011
231
I thank Aaron McGruder every time this movie comes on
Jan 28th 2011
236
Don't Be a Menace II South Central While Drinking Your Juice
Jan 27th 2011
34
Very funny at the time, now it obviously feels dated
Jan 27th 2011
61
Quite possibly one of my favorite scenes ever
Jan 27th 2011
137
funny as hell, but it makes me think about spoof movies
Jan 27th 2011
146
funny as hell
Jan 28th 2011
217
Fresh.
Jan 27th 2011
35
i loved this movie when it came out.
Jan 27th 2011
40
good movie
Jan 27th 2011
79
I REALLY love this movie
Jan 27th 2011
103
soooo underrated
Jan 27th 2011
148
A really good movie
Jan 27th 2011
150
Giancarlo Esposito is too good here.
Jan 27th 2011
160
DAMN GOOD FILM
Jan 28th 2011
218
Great plotting, solid flick
Jan 28th 2011
223
The Inkwell.
Jan 27th 2011
36
If Larenz Tate's character wasn't such a weirdo...
Jan 27th 2011
184
loved this movie
Jan 28th 2011
200
Was okay
Jan 28th 2011
224
The Walking Dead
Jan 27th 2011
41
I know I saw this and can't remember a thing about it. lol.
Jan 27th 2011
122
It was a Vietnam movie. Think it had Eddie Griffin and Joe Morton
Jan 27th 2011
149
      I don't remember shit about it either lol
Jan 27th 2011
173
felt like a bootleg version of the Vietnam part of Dead Presidents
Feb 01st 2011
256
Out of Sync.
Jan 27th 2011
48
Fear of a Black Hat
Jan 27th 2011
56
Another I haven't seen in forever, but I thought it was hilarious
Jan 27th 2011
127
that's how I remember feeling as well, it's been so long tho
Feb 01st 2011
257
Loved it.
Jan 27th 2011
183
Love this Movie
Jan 28th 2011
235
I really enjoy this movie even now
Feb 03rd 2011
317
Sprung
Jan 27th 2011
57
probably the hands down worst movie of the decade. i hated that movie
Jan 27th 2011
73
it was NOT worse than "booty call" or "woo."
Jan 27th 2011
87
      this is like comparing different types of doo doo
Jan 27th 2011
89
      very true.
Jan 27th 2011
92
      Cmon, I liked Booty Call.
Jan 27th 2011
97
that's my movie
Jan 27th 2011
90
Terrible, but had one or two decent jokes.
Jan 27th 2011
162
A Lowdown Dirty Shame.
Jan 27th 2011
59
I liked it. Didn't know dude would think it made him a legit action star
Jan 27th 2011
88
Real shit, this is one of my favorite movies of that decade
Jan 27th 2011
98
Underrated, I think Hollywood was scarred of Keenan
Jan 27th 2011
165
classic
Jan 28th 2011
202
RE: fun
Jan 29th 2011
246
One False Move.
Jan 27th 2011
62
imho one of the best films of the 90s, black or otherwise.
Jan 27th 2011
76
Agreed.
Jan 27th 2011
99
I haven't seen it in forever.
Jan 27th 2011
126
Carl Franklin can do no wrong in my eyes.
Jan 27th 2011
168
Michael Beach was cold-blooded
Jan 28th 2011
215
RE: A hot mess of garbage
Jan 29th 2011
247
loved it, Billy Bob kills it & I kinda had a thing for Cynda Williams
Feb 01st 2011
258
I loved everything about this movie.
Feb 01st 2011
269
Devil in a Blue Dress
Jan 27th 2011
63
Another Carl Franklin triumph
Jan 27th 2011
107
One of the very few times when Denzel gets out-acted
Jan 27th 2011
151
aka, Hello World, my name is Don Cheadle.
Jan 27th 2011
164
RE: Great movie
Jan 29th 2011
241
loved it, wish it had been more successful so we got more of em
Feb 01st 2011
259
      ^^^^^THIS
Feb 01st 2011
274
      100% co-sign
Feb 01st 2011
275
      On Denzel/TScott: Deja Vu sucked but I enjoyed Man On Fire a lot
Feb 01st 2011
283
      Yep yep (c) Teddy
Feb 01st 2011
289
Chameleon Street
Jan 27th 2011
64
^^^ I still need to see this
Jan 27th 2011
72
      It's a bit of a slog today
Jan 27th 2011
78
      Haven't seen it since I watched it in a film class in college
Jan 27th 2011
121
           Yeah, it has a real 70s feel, doesn't it?
Jan 27th 2011
129
      ^^^Conditioning has been conditioned
Jan 27th 2011
117
           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY2kJ96jNY
Jan 30th 2011
250
Belly
Jan 27th 2011
75
looks fantastic, many memorable moments, overall possibly
Feb 01st 2011
263
the worst movie with the most classic scenes
Feb 01st 2011
282
      sounds about right, highly rewatchable & entertaining as a result tho
Feb 01st 2011
286
Smelly
Feb 01st 2011
273
One of the most visually impressive movies
Feb 01st 2011
276
Word? Africa?
Feb 01st 2011
285
One long hype williams movie
Feb 03rd 2011
318
I'm Bout It
Jan 27th 2011
77
NOPE! I liked this movie, sorry Wordman
Jan 27th 2011
102
      I liked it too. It made ignorance okay, anywhere, any time.
Jan 27th 2011
112
      I will forego all blasting of this movie to make 2 points:
Jan 27th 2011
152
KLA$H.
Jan 27th 2011
81
Cold Around the Heart.
Jan 27th 2011
83
Booty Call.
Jan 27th 2011
84
Very broad, but very goddamn funny in spots
Jan 28th 2011
225
Why Do Fools Fall in Love.
Jan 27th 2011
85
good movie, good casting. was this when he was allegedly dating Halle?
Jan 27th 2011
91
come to think of it, that must have been the period.
Jan 27th 2011
104
      i mean it's Ray status ultimately. I never think about it or find myself
Jan 27th 2011
120
           I tend not to be a biopic fan either
Jan 27th 2011
124
Some of the best female scenes from that era b/w Ever notice...
Jan 27th 2011
154
RE: Loved the film and all the actresses were good
Jan 31st 2011
252
Just Another Girl on the I.R.T
Jan 27th 2011
100
I have a love/hate relationship with "tales from the hood" films
Jan 28th 2011
219
Panther.
Jan 27th 2011
101
Terrible. A waste of Courtney B. Vance.
Jan 27th 2011
185
likely terrible but I still watched it a few times when it dropped
Feb 01st 2011
260
Bad Boys.
Jan 27th 2011
105
Well, it certainly launched Michael Bay's career
Jan 27th 2011
111
Interesting, but you're right
Jan 27th 2011
115
always thought it was a black Tango and Cash except, not
Jan 27th 2011
116
one of the better buddy action comedies
Jan 27th 2011
155
D.R.O.P. Squad.
Jan 27th 2011
108
Will never get props because it poses difficult questions
Jan 28th 2011
192
      ...and like Bamboozled, it sucked ass.
Jan 28th 2011
194
           i liked both
Jan 28th 2011
201
           Yup
Jan 28th 2011
226
Gotdammit, Affy
Jan 27th 2011
109
damn LOL
Jan 27th 2011
113
Eve's Bayou.
Jan 27th 2011
110
Good movie. Had some GREAT performances.
Jan 27th 2011
114
Another best of the 90s for me.
Jan 27th 2011
119
      agreed. fantastic movie.
Jan 27th 2011
132
Awesome flick. Kasi Lemmons is building a great filmography
Jan 28th 2011
189
great movie
Feb 01st 2011
261
RE: this film is an enchantment
Feb 02nd 2011
310
Straight Out of Brooklyn.
Jan 27th 2011
118
Lord Jeebus, was that movie depressing
Jan 27th 2011
123
LOL ditto.
Jan 27th 2011
125
I remember the Matty Rich/Spike beef over the importance of film school
Feb 01st 2011
262
simply put: possibly the worst movie i've ever seen.
Jan 27th 2011
131
it bored the piss out of me
Jan 27th 2011
147
seemed like the theatrical version of good times
Feb 02nd 2011
301
Cell Block 4 (CB4)
Jan 27th 2011
128
not bad but I liked Fear of a Black Hat better
Jan 28th 2011
190
How to be a Player
Jan 27th 2011
138
this movie COULD have been good
Jan 27th 2011
158
      agreed.
Jan 28th 2011
193
      Yep.
Jan 28th 2011
227
I know we didn't forget NEW JACK CITY!!!!!
Jan 27th 2011
159
King Of New York
Jan 27th 2011
161
Not really sure if this is a "Black" film
Jan 27th 2011
171
I think it's because I tie the movie so closely with DEEP COVER
Jan 27th 2011
187
Schooly D's inclusion always struck me as odd but I loved it
Feb 01st 2011
264
Not Black. Abel Ferrara directed.
Jan 28th 2011
191
      If we're basing it on directors then CB4, Fresh, Bad Boys
Jan 28th 2011
195
           I was pointing that besides the obvious- its Christopher Walken's movie
Jan 30th 2011
249
                Yeah, I feel you.
Jan 30th 2011
251
DEEP COVER
Jan 27th 2011
163
Yeah, this is a great movie
Jan 27th 2011
169
no one will be able to convince me Jeff Goldblum isn't an amoral creep
Feb 01st 2011
265
      hahaha, he's been typecast as the freaky, weird guy.
Feb 01st 2011
277
           he embodies that archetype so well I feel thats what he must actually be
Feb 01st 2011
281
Class Act
Jan 27th 2011
167
top shelf but not as good as House Party 2
Jan 27th 2011
170
Am I the only one that still wants the Blade Brown version as a sequel?
Jan 28th 2011
208
B.A.P.s
Jan 27th 2011
172
Horrible movie. Horrible.
Jan 27th 2011
174
But really: did we expect otherwise going in?
Jan 27th 2011
176
      No. But I saw it because I had to review it
Jan 27th 2011
179
I hope there was a big paycheck involved with that one
Jan 27th 2011
188
Who's The Man?
Jan 27th 2011
177
Had nothing going for it aside from the cameos...
Jan 28th 2011
196
I liked the Benie Mac bit in the Barbershop but it was kinda wack
Jan 28th 2011
197
      Wow, I completely forgot Bernie Mac was in that
Jan 28th 2011
199
I liked it when it came out, but that was only because I was
Feb 01st 2011
290
Posse
Jan 27th 2011
178
strange classic
Jan 28th 2011
203
A $5 Bin Winner
Jan 28th 2011
238
RE: South Central
Jan 29th 2011
243
haven't seen it in a while, but I thout it was great
Jan 29th 2011
244
RE: IMO better than boyzindahood
Jan 29th 2011
245
Well-intentioned and engaging but the shadow of Boyz loomed too
Jan 29th 2011
248
Had to watch this in high school with a buncha white classmates
Jan 31st 2011
253
The Wood
Feb 01st 2011
266
The casting of the kids was better than the casting of the adults
Feb 03rd 2011
319
      Agreed...
Feb 04th 2011
322
The Best Man
Feb 01st 2011
267
RE: oops
Feb 02nd 2011
306
I'm like..... Dance Fever!
Feb 02nd 2011
311
Honorable Mention: Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai
Feb 01st 2011
268
i need to rewatch this
Feb 01st 2011
271
Really good movie, Jarmusch's most accessible.
Feb 01st 2011
278
I love that movie, it's not for everybody tho
Feb 01st 2011
280
My favorite Jarmusch, although the last joint was awesome
Feb 02nd 2011
298
one of my favorite films
Feb 04th 2011
323
RE: The Best Man
Feb 01st 2011
270
The Show
Feb 01st 2011
291
Rhyme and Reason
Feb 01st 2011
292
I have the soundtrack somewhere.
Feb 02nd 2011
296
soundtrack is basically just a collection of cutting room floor tracks
Feb 03rd 2011
316
      I didn't know any better
Feb 03rd 2011
320
loved that shit, watched the VHS tape of that all the time in college
Feb 03rd 2011
313
Rosewood
Feb 01st 2011
293
Higher Learning
Feb 01st 2011
294
The forgotten movie in Singleton's oeuvre
Feb 02nd 2011
297
That spoken word always made me laugh.
Feb 02nd 2011
299
RE: That spoken word always made me laugh.
Feb 03rd 2011
314
RE: Higher Learning
Feb 02nd 2011
308
Haven't watched it in a decade but I'm sure I'd find it ridiculous & hor...
Feb 02nd 2011
309
Zebrahead.
Feb 02nd 2011
300
RE: Zebrahead.
Feb 02nd 2011
302
get on the bus?
Feb 02nd 2011
303
mo' money?
Feb 02nd 2011
304
life?
Feb 02nd 2011
305
Back then, to have Eddie and Martin, and be only mildly funny...
Feb 03rd 2011
315
RE: underrated
Feb 03rd 2011
321

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