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"The Official Batman Begins Post"


          

I got my IMAX tickets for tomorrow at 7:30 PM

The positive reviews say it's the best Batman movie (and maybe comic-book movie) ever.

The negative reviews say it's boring and takes itself to seriously.

I guess we'll find out tomorrow:

Here's Roger Ebert's four-star review:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050613/REVIEWS/50525003

Batman Begins
At last: Batman's real story

Release Date: 2005

Ebert Rating: ****

By Roger Ebert / Jun 13, 2005

'Batman Begins" at last penetrates to the dark and troubled depths of the Batman legend, creating a superhero who, if not plausible, is at least persuasive as a man driven to dress like a bat and become a vigilante. The movie doesn't simply supply Batman's beginnings in the tradition of a comic book origin story, but explores the tortured path that led Bruce Wayne from a parentless childhood to a friendless adult existence. The movie is not realistic, because how could it be, but it acts as if it is.

Opening in a prison camp in an unnamed nation, "Batman Begins" shows Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) enduring brutal treatment as a prisoner, as part of his research into the nature of evil. He is rescued by the mysterious Henri Ducard (Liam Neeson), who appoints himself Wayne's mentor, teaches him sword-fighting and mind control, and tries to enlist him in his amoral League of Shadows ("We burned London to the ground").

When Wayne refuses to kill someone as a membership requirement, Ducard becomes his enemy; the reclusive millionaire returns to Gotham City determined to fight evil, without realizing quite how much trouble he is in.

The story of why he identifies with bats (childhood trauma) and hates evildoers (he saw his parents killed by a mugger) has been referred to many times in the various incarnations of the Batman legend, including four previous films. This time, it is given weight and depth. Wayne discovers in Gotham that the family Wayne Corp. is run by a venal corporate monster (Rutger Hauer), but that in its depths labors the almost forgotten scientific genius Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman), who understands Wayne wants to fight crime and offers him the weaponry.

Lucius happens to have on hand a prototype Batmobile, which unlike the streamlined models in the earlier movies, is a big, unlovely juggernaut that looks like a Humvee's wet dream. He also devises a bat-cape with surprising properties.

These preparations, Gotham crime details and the counsel of the faithful servant Alfred (Michael Caine) delay the actual appearance of Batman until the second act of the movie. We don't mind. Unlike the earlier films, which delighted in extravagant special-effects action, "Batman Begins" is shrouded in shadow; instead of high-detail, sharp-edged special effects, we get obscure developments in fog and smoke, reinforced by a superb sound-effects design. And Wayne himself is a slow learner, clumsy at times, taking foolish chances, inventing Batman as he goes along.

This is at last the Batman movie I've been waiting for. The character resonates more deeply with me than the other comic superheroes, perhaps because when I discovered him as a child, he seemed darker and more grown-up than the cheerful Superman. He has secrets. As Alfred muses: "Strange injuries and a nonexistent social life. These things beg the question, what does Bruce Wayne do with his time?"

What he does is create a high profile as a millionaire playboy who gets drunk and causes scenes. This disappoints Rachel Dawes (Katie Holmes), his friend since childhood, who is now an assistant D.A. She and Lt. James Gordon (Gary Oldman), apparently Gotham City's only honest cop, are faced with a local crime syndicate led by Carmine Falcone (Tom Wilkinson). But Falcone's gang is child's play, compared to the deep scheme being hatched by the corrupt psychiatrist Dr. Jonathan Crane (Cillian Murphy), who, in the tradition of Victorian alienists, likes to declare his enemies insane and lock them up.

Crane's secret identity as the Scarecrow fits into a scheme to lace the Gotham water supply with a psychedelic drug. Then a superweapon will be used to vaporize the water, citizens will inhale the drug, and it will drive them crazy, for reasons which the Scarecrow and his confederates explain with more detail than clarity. Meanwhile, flashbacks establish the character's deepest traumas, including his special relationship with bats and his guilt because he thinks he is responsible for his parents' mugging.

I admire, among other things, the way the movie doesn't have the gloss of the earlier films. The Batman costume is an early design. The Bat Cave is an actual cave beneath Wayne Manor. The Batmobile enters and leaves it by leaping across a chasm and through a waterfall. The Bat Signal is crude and out of focus.

The movie was shot on location in Chicago, making good use of the murky depths of lower Wacker Drive and the Board of Trade building (now the Wayne Corp.). Special effects add a spectacular monorail down La Salle Street, which derails in the best scene along those lines since "The Fugitive."

Bale is just right for this emerging version of Batman. It's strange to see him muscular and toned, after his cadaverous appearance in "The Machinist," but he suggests an inward quality that suits the character. Rachel is at first fooled by his facade of playboy irresponsibility, but Lt. Gordon figures out fairly quickly what Batman is doing, and why. Instead of one villain as the headliner, "Batman Begins" has a whole population, including Falcone, the Scarecrow, the Asian League of Shadows leader Ra's Al Ghul (Ken Watanabe) and a surprise bonus pick.

The movie has been directed by Christopher Nolan, still only 35, whose "Memento" (2000) took Sundance by storm and was followed by "Insomnia" (2002), a police procedural with Al Pacino. What Warner Bros. saw in those pictures that inspired them to think of Nolan is hard to say, but the studio guessed correctly, and after an eight-year hiatus, the Batman franchise has finally found its way.

I said this is the Batman movie I've been waiting for; more correctly, this is the movie I did not realize I was waiting for, because I didn't realize that more emphasis on story and character and less emphasis on high-tech action was just what was needed. The movie works dramatically in addition to being an entertainment. There's something to it.

Cast & Credits

Bruce Wayne/Batman: Christian Bale
Alfred: Michael Caine
Henri Ducard: Liam Neeson
Lucius Fox: Morgan Freeman
Lt. Gordon: Gary Oldman
Rachel Dawes: Katie Holmes
Earle: Rutger Hauer

Warner Bros. presents a film directed by Christopher Nolan. Written by Nolan, Bob Kane and David S. Goyer. Running time: 140 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for intense action violence, disturbing images and some thematic elements). Opening Wednesday at local theaters (with midnight screenings at select locales).
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The Official Batman Begins Post [View all] , Melanism, Tue Jun-14-05 12:42 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Can't wait
Jun 14th 2005
1
It's not getting the hype it deserves
Jun 14th 2005
2
yeah, only seen a couple commercials, but they good.
Jun 14th 2005
8
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 14th 2005
3
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 14th 2005
13
Murphy looks like the most interesting one
Jun 14th 2005
18
      RE: Murphy looks like the most interesting one
Jun 15th 2005
31
believe me. its THE batman movie
Jun 14th 2005
4
RE: believe me. its THE batman movie
Jun 14th 2005
20
      in the comics, Joker did NOT kill Bats's parents. nm
Jun 15th 2005
25
      where shall we begin
Jun 15th 2005
28
Can't wait.. There's a special midnight screening tonight
Jun 14th 2005
5
Needless to say, I'm hyped
Jun 14th 2005
6
ill be there
Jun 14th 2005
7
RE: ill be there
Jun 14th 2005
9
so excited I wrote a jam about it! Wanna hear it? Here it goes
Jun 14th 2005
10
Could be good...
Jun 14th 2005
11
I love Batman
Jun 14th 2005
12
it doesnt, but ok
Jun 14th 2005
17
      lol, well
Jun 14th 2005
19
           RE: lol, well
Jun 15th 2005
32
Matinee tomorrow at noon
Jun 14th 2005
14
The negative reviews are encouraging
Jun 14th 2005
15
a lot of them just don't seem to get Batman
Jun 15th 2005
22
i honestly haven't been this excited to
Jun 14th 2005
16
7pm IMAX at Mall of Georgia
Jun 14th 2005
21
I just saw it Tuesday Night!!!
Jun 15th 2005
23
just got back from the theatre.
Jun 15th 2005
24
*SPOILER* no the plan is doing three movies
Jun 15th 2005
26
      RE: *SPOILER* no the plan is doing three movies
Jun 15th 2005
33
           wtf? nicholson was acting well but that was NOT the joker
Jun 15th 2005
38
           right...another problem with the first one
Jun 15th 2005
39
                RE: Still poses an interesting casting choice
Jun 16th 2005
82
           that's crazy. that's like saying who could do batman but
Jun 20th 2005
208
seeing as though we are nitpicking
Jun 28th 2005
218
      RE: seeing as though we are nitpicking
Jul 08th 2005
223
Seattle 12:01 showing
Jun 15th 2005
27
Plotting my escape from work as we speak...
Jun 15th 2005
30
Begins better than it ends
Jun 15th 2005
29
that's exactly what I gathered from reading the script...
Jun 15th 2005
49
Just got back....its one of the best comic movies for sure!
Jun 15th 2005
34
RE: Just got back....its one of the best comic movies for sure!
Jun 15th 2005
36
RE: Just got back....its one of the best comic movies for sure!
Jun 15th 2005
44
      seriously?
Jun 16th 2005
64
           RE: seriously?
Jun 16th 2005
69
           RE: Laughable
Jun 16th 2005
83
                why wouldnt it be forced?
Jun 16th 2005
130
           RE: seriously?
Jun 16th 2005
129
lol
Jun 16th 2005
77
yeah, the action scenes were pretty muddled
Jun 17th 2005
136
Public Radio Interviews
Jun 15th 2005
35
these are geat man. thanks!
Jun 16th 2005
81
      You're welcome
Jun 16th 2005
95
Just got back
Jun 15th 2005
37
I cought the 11:50 show here in ATL
Jun 15th 2005
40
Batman has had dozens of different cars
Jun 15th 2005
41
      he did..that shit was very frank milleresque.
Jun 15th 2005
45
           The ending
Jun 15th 2005
47
           yup..had me smiling son.
Jun 16th 2005
60
                i got goosebumps (spoilllllllers)
Jun 16th 2005
63
                     ya know..lol
Jun 16th 2005
84
           the tank is the best batmobile
Jun 15th 2005
48
                how the fuck are you going to drive a tank in a city?
Jun 15th 2005
50
                but it's a tank!
Jun 15th 2005
52
                that tank made all the other batmobiles look prissy!!!!!
Jun 17th 2005
146
a great movie. i was smiling thru the whole thing.
Jun 15th 2005
42
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 15th 2005
43
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 15th 2005
46
      if shit takes you out of the fantasy, then it's a problem...
Jun 15th 2005
51
      Huh?
Jun 15th 2005
57
      RE: if shit takes you out of the fantasy, then it's a problem...
Jun 16th 2005
70
      RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 16th 2005
74
***1/2 out of ****
Jun 15th 2005
53
RE: What didnt u like about Scarecrow?
Jun 16th 2005
86
      You answered your own question (further spoilers)
Jun 16th 2005
112
           RE: You answered your own question (further spoilers)
Jun 16th 2005
127
                Scarecrow went out like a bitch, yes
Jun 17th 2005
137
                     If he teamed up with the Joker...
Jun 17th 2005
144
                     I would LOVE to see scarecrow come back....
Jun 19th 2005
185
                     RE: Scarecrow went out like a bitch, yes
Jun 18th 2005
182
i went at 11:30 AM this morning...
Jun 15th 2005
54
RE: i went at 11:30 AM this morning...
Jun 16th 2005
78
THE BEST BATMAN MOVIE EVER
Jun 15th 2005
55
fwawess wictowy!!!!!
Jun 15th 2005
56
lolololololol
Jun 16th 2005
62
fucking amazing! i thought it was perfect
Jun 16th 2005
58
co-sign
Jun 16th 2005
79
      RE: Easily better than the 1st one
Jun 16th 2005
88
           RE: Easily better than the 1st one
Jun 20th 2005
203
FUCK ANYONE complaining about this movie
Jun 16th 2005
59
YEAH! that shit was on point!
Jun 16th 2005
61
exactly! any complaining is nitpicking shit!
Jun 16th 2005
105
hotness
Jun 16th 2005
65
good call on the spader comment
Jun 16th 2005
66
      RE: cosign on the spader comment
Jun 16th 2005
91
the 27 hours later post (spoilers are not planned, yet possible)
Jun 16th 2005
67
OH SHIT
Jun 16th 2005
68
FUCKING EXCELLENT!!
Jun 16th 2005
71
Answer to your spoiler question, Yes.
Jun 16th 2005
73
Finally, Batman movie by someone who read a comic book. (SPOILERS)
Jun 16th 2005
72
you're dead on guy
Jun 16th 2005
75
Definitely
Jun 16th 2005
80
RE: Finally, Batman movie by someone who read a comic book. (SPOILERS)
Jun 16th 2005
115
i left the theatre with a HUGE grin on my face...
Jun 16th 2005
126
RE: i left the theatre with a HUGE grin on my face...
Jun 16th 2005
131
yes as opposed to batman being at a fundraiser or in court
Jun 20th 2005
209
FUCKING YES!!!! I HAD ORGASMS
Jun 16th 2005
76
one of the funniest lines in the movie:
Jun 16th 2005
85
"Didn't you get the memo?"
Jun 16th 2005
87
RE: "It's time my enemies share my dread"
Jun 16th 2005
118
RE: one of the funniest lines in the movie:
Jun 16th 2005
116
RE: "He's not on a road...
Jun 16th 2005
121
you've heard the good...now hear the bad
Jun 16th 2005
89
i liked the fight scenes...they are from the perspective of the criminal
Jun 16th 2005
94
zactly. the fight scenes work if u think about em
Jun 16th 2005
99
      I wasn't a fan of the fight scene editing either
Jun 16th 2005
109
yes
Jun 16th 2005
111
RE: yes
Jun 16th 2005
117
      RE: yes
Jun 16th 2005
128
      RE: yes
Jun 17th 2005
143
RE: you've heard the good...now hear the bad
Jun 16th 2005
119
the neck piece was big, but i just envisioned it as neck protection
Jun 20th 2005
210
Who should play Joker?!
Jun 16th 2005
90
Adrian Brody?
Jun 16th 2005
92
RE: Adrian Brody?
Jun 16th 2005
103
Joker: Crispin Glover, Ed Norton, James Spader
Jun 16th 2005
93
Guy Pearce as Harvey Dent - Very nice suggestion.
Jun 16th 2005
102
Lachy Hulme & Mark Hamill are up for the role
Jun 17th 2005
149
the only thing pissin me off was the pronounciation of Ra's' name
Jun 16th 2005
96
as for the Ra's thing (happy?)
Jun 16th 2005
97
change the title of your post,man...that's a big spoiler
Jun 16th 2005
98
any idiot blundering into this post not expecting spoilers is a moron
Jun 16th 2005
100
      Yeah...(spoiler)
Jun 16th 2005
101
RE: as for the Ra's thing (happy?)
Jun 16th 2005
106
GREATmovie if you're a Batman fan
Jun 16th 2005
104
this movie was so good im worried if they make sequels
Jun 16th 2005
107
RE: this movie was so good im worried if they make sequels
Jun 16th 2005
110
      The villains shouldn't be the focus
Jun 16th 2005
113
      balance
Jun 16th 2005
114
           yea they could definately do some great things with the joker
Jun 16th 2005
124
Just wanted to say....
Jun 16th 2005
108
RE: Favorite scenes
Jun 16th 2005
120
my personal review
Jun 16th 2005
122
Buscemi as the Joker!! Spoilers, maybe...
Jun 16th 2005
123
      i hope catwoman has nothing to do w/ any of the sequals
Jun 16th 2005
125
      co-sign Hamill as The Joker. he was BORN for that role
Jun 17th 2005
141
Shit was great
Jun 16th 2005
132
i know :(
Jun 16th 2005
133
Holy Batgasm
Jun 17th 2005
134
RE: Holy Batgasm
Jun 17th 2005
152
this was soooo funny to me.
Jun 29th 2005
219
Arkham Cameos?
Jun 17th 2005
135
Only cameo I saw was Mr Zsasz.
Jun 17th 2005
138
      hmmm...seems like there'd be more
Jun 17th 2005
139
did anyone else catch THE PENGUIN in Arkham?
Jun 17th 2005
140
RE: did anyone else catch THE PENGUIN in Arkham?
Jun 18th 2005
181
it was pretty good.
Jun 17th 2005
142
I thought it was my contacts but those fight scence were
Jun 17th 2005
145
HOTNESS!
Jun 17th 2005
147
Fandango.com
Jun 17th 2005
150
I loved it!!!!
Jun 17th 2005
148
replying to several things i read in here..
Jun 17th 2005
151
good points here people
Jun 17th 2005
153
dope, but the fight/action scenes were the worst part
Jun 17th 2005
154
agreed. I thought the best scene was when Scarecrow saw him
Jun 17th 2005
155
the score
Jun 17th 2005
156
yes! specially when the bats swarm all around him
Jun 17th 2005
157
      RE: Also
Jun 20th 2005
204
fucking awesome
Jun 17th 2005
158
question (big spoiler)
Jun 17th 2005
159
yes. n/m
Jun 17th 2005
160
      OH. FUCKING A
Jun 18th 2005
162
MOVIE WAS INCREDIBLE!
Jun 18th 2005
161
one of my favorite parts: ...(some spoilers)
Jun 18th 2005
163
SON SON SON SON SON, holy shit, was incredible, some spoilers
Jun 18th 2005
164
right on about katie
Jun 18th 2005
167
This shows that Marvel needs to step their game up.
Jun 18th 2005
165
Question about Katie Holmes character.
Jun 18th 2005
166
made up for the movie
Jun 18th 2005
168
      well..(spoiler)
Jun 18th 2005
169
           so...(spoiler)
Jun 18th 2005
170
                RE: so...(spoiler)
Jun 18th 2005
180
                well (spoiler)
Jun 19th 2005
186
Do kids like it?
Jun 18th 2005
171
RE: Do kids like it?
Jun 18th 2005
174
its not kid friendly
Jun 19th 2005
187
No
Jun 19th 2005
194
I hope they scrap the Batmobile though
Jun 18th 2005
172
The whole "utility" thing only works so well
Jun 18th 2005
177
burton brainwashed yall cats
Jun 19th 2005
188
i thought it was perfect
Jun 19th 2005
198
Saw it last night
Jun 18th 2005
173
Whooaaa they did this shit RIGHT
Jun 18th 2005
175
Joker didn't kill Bruce's parents
Jun 18th 2005
178
      RE: Joker didn't kill Bruce's parents
Jun 18th 2005
179
      The nobody killing the parents works in Batman
Jun 20th 2005
212
           yeah...
Jun 21st 2005
214
Shows why criminals are scared shitless of Batman
Jun 18th 2005
176
Apparently the movie isn't exactly setting the box office on fire.
Jun 18th 2005
183
only compared to episode III
Jun 18th 2005
184
      update: 71.1
Jun 19th 2005
190
           plus that aint internationally either
Jun 19th 2005
191
           I feel better...
Jun 19th 2005
192
                UPDATE 113 MILLION
Jun 19th 2005
196
BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER!!!
Jun 19th 2005
189
the pacing seemed mad quick, it was good tho.
Jun 19th 2005
193
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 19th 2005
195
really good
Jun 19th 2005
197
RE: really good
Jun 19th 2005
199
WOW... seeing that on IMAX was an adrenaline rush!
Jun 20th 2005
200
one thing they should have taken from the Burton films
Jun 20th 2005
201
BATDANCE!!!!
Jun 20th 2005
202
so what are the plans for a sequel?
Jun 20th 2005
205
There will be a new sequel with Joker
Jun 20th 2005
206
Worth the hype and everyone was on point with their acting
Jun 20th 2005
207
As a long time Batman fan I have always had a problem with Gotham folks
Jun 20th 2005
211
Enjoyed it
Jun 20th 2005
213
The Batmobile chase was a little too long
Jun 21st 2005
215
i liked this a lot but i have a few questions
Jun 28th 2005
216
RE: i liked this a lot but i have a few questions
Jun 28th 2005
217
i liked that i got the sense that he's still afraid of bats.
Jun 29th 2005
220
RE: The Official Batman Begins Post
Jun 29th 2005
221
good movie, more of a set-up though I hope
Jul 08th 2005
222

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