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Professor Calculus
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18. "AFKAP, have you seen Mystic River?"
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You remember that scene where Sean Penn finds out his daughter is dead? He's so overcome with grief and anger that he yells like some King Kong beast and has to be wrestled down by a whole squad of Boston policemen. Remember? Then the camera, I believe, milks the moments and cranes upward? Despite Penn winning the Oscar--and I even think they showed that clip during the broadcast--there was criticism from myself and others that he acted in a melodramatic, way over-the-top fashion. Now of course that's a decision that Penn made himself, in part, but if Clint Eastwood cuts that scene shorts, tells Penn to play it more subtlety, etc. then perhaps I never have a complaint. Do you mean to suggest that the director and how he chooses to edit have no effect on the perception of the acting on screen?

You ever seen In Love and War? That insipid tripe that starred the man who couldn't even be a convincing Robin, Chris O'Donnell, as Ernest Hemingway, you seen that? Now I'm not gonna say that O'Donnell is a bad actor, because even Keanu Reeves has had some glory, but he's very not good at all as the famed author. Had O'Donnell not been offered this project and done something more within his limited range, then perhaps I never have a complaint and a strike against him. But he did get cast and it was doomed from the start. Do you mean to suggest that casting has no effect on the perception of the acting on screen?

How do you explain Dicaprio's up and down career?

How do you explain the Marky Mark rule (see elswhere in post)?

How is Sandler actually good in Punchdrunk Love but completely out of place in Spanglish? (Saw it last night, that's why it's on my mind)

How was Pacino beyond brilliant as Michael Corleone then a caricature most of the rest of his career?

Don't tell me that quality or deficient acting occurs in a vacuum outside of the influence of casting, editing, directing, story, etc. For some it can, but for very many, many others, it doesn't. (Or are you just quibbling with my percentages?)

  

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Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges? [View all] , Professor Calculus, Sat Jun-18-05 12:54 PM
 
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Wait
Jun 18th 2005
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Jude Law is one of our finest actors (c) Sean Penn.
Jun 18th 2005
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      Jude Law has given some embarassingly bad performances though
Jun 18th 2005
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      This may be what seperates him from the rest.
Jun 18th 2005
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      Jude Law=Quantity Over Quality
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges?
Jun 18th 2005
4
pretty much how i felt
Jun 18th 2005
11
     
           RE: AFKAP, have you seen Mystic River?
Jun 18th 2005
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           I thought you were done with this post.
Jun 18th 2005
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                RE: I thought you were done with this post.
Jun 18th 2005
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                     Thanks, but there's an empty career waiting for you though.
Jun 18th 2005
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                          RE: Thanks, but there's an empty career waiting for you though.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               Giving you true arrogant bullshit since 1999, thanks nick.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               RE: Giving you true arrogant bullshit since 1999, thanks nick.
Jun 18th 2005
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                               this dude has been lurking HARD
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    LOL...you've been around PTP long enough to know his steez.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                         just PTP?
Jun 19th 2005
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                                              No...
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   I mean come on now, the style is a gimme.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   I know, right? n/m
Jun 19th 2005
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                                                   you love my style.
Jun 20th 2005
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                                                        It's more fun to keep 'em guessing...
Jun 20th 2005
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                                                   oh I know
Jun 19th 2005
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                               LMAO!!!!
Jun 19th 2005
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                               so funny I posted twice.
Jun 19th 2005
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           this response is idiotic. n/m
Jun 19th 2005
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                How so? I don't agree with some of it, but he can back up his points.
Jun 19th 2005
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                     yeah, sans pacino, they're good examples
Jun 19th 2005
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                          But his heart is in the right place...as I said, I agree with the idea
Jun 19th 2005
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                          Pacino.
Jun 19th 2005
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                               RE: Pacino.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    he's really subdued in Donnie Brasco
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    Add Heat to that list.
Jun 19th 2005
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                                    RE: Pacino.
Jun 20th 2005
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                                         Two more points:
Jun 20th 2005
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                                         RE: Two more points:
Jun 22nd 2005
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                                         haha
Jun 20th 2005
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                                              Dog Day Afternoon
Jun 22nd 2005
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wait, I'm not sure I'm getting this
Jun 18th 2005
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no, no, not Norton.
Jun 18th 2005
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I gotcha.
Jun 18th 2005
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what I think he's saying is...
Jun 18th 2005
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not to such an extreme.
Jun 18th 2005
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      I wasn't saying reevaulate the movie itself, just Norton's performance.....
Jun 18th 2005
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Liver punch...
Jun 19th 2005
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Go see Kingdom of Heaven....
Jun 18th 2005
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but it's easier to act behind a mask and do voice work...
Jun 18th 2005
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I'll keep my eyes open.
Jun 18th 2005
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I don't get some of the point you've made because
Jun 18th 2005
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Yes, everyone makes mistakes.
Jun 18th 2005
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      well said
Jun 18th 2005
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At best I thought Norton was pretty good.
Jun 18th 2005
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I'm reluctant to compare today's actors with those from pre-1954
Jun 18th 2005
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Your theory about good acting
Jun 18th 2005
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It's not even my theory though.
Jun 18th 2005
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      RE: It's not even my theory though.
Jun 18th 2005
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I wish I could jump in on this thread
Jun 19th 2005
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if you watch films on the regular (and we know you do...bitch)...
Jun 19th 2005
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I'll take a crack at defending this 95 to 5% idea....
Jun 19th 2005
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maybe i'm missing the point of this thread
Jun 19th 2005
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I thought I made it clear that I was speaking in...
Jun 19th 2005
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I know
Jun 19th 2005
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      okay, I see what you're saying...
Jun 19th 2005
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simple mathematics.
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: I'll take a crack at defending this 95 to 5% idea....
Jun 19th 2005
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      heh, kinda like Russian montage?
Jun 19th 2005
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           Yeah, but with an absurd analogy.
Jun 20th 2005
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When was Ed Norton EVER considered the best actor of his generation?
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: When was Ed Norton EVER considered the best actor of his generation?
Jun 19th 2005
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he was totally awesome in Fight Club dude
Jun 19th 2005
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      espeacially when he throws himself over his desk
Jun 19th 2005
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           see, I think you like this movie a little more day by day
Jun 19th 2005
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It could be that editing gave us bad performances as well
Jun 19th 2005
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RE: It could be that editing gave us bad performances as well
Jun 19th 2005
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he's hit a dry spell, no doubt
Jun 22nd 2005
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but he's writing and directing, no?
Jun 22nd 2005
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      I really liked the book
Jun 22nd 2005
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RE: Does Edward Norton still have executive privileges?
Jun 23rd 2005
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