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223. "RE: ok.."
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Sun Jul-14-02 04:09 AM

  

          

>Well...the reason why intra-racism in European countries
>doesn't reach the level of America is because they are
>nowhere near as racially diverse as us.

Yes, many countries in europe are not as ethnically diverse as some areas in USA, but please...
LONDON! Paris. Amsterdam. München.

The reason why intra-racism in European countries doesn't reach the level of America is because large groups of people descending from different cultures (with their ways of life combined with the fact that most immigrants are poor and are not treated well by European society and therefore end up in the lower classes, resulting in a somewhat correct but usually over-emphasized stereotype of immigrants being thiefs/criminals and plain forward negative contributions to society) haven't been found in european societies for as long as in USA. USA's history of treating "others" within their own country is also different, and unlike Europe, i think the past is more present in USA today compared to how Europe's past is present in Europe today.

but..... i think if europe doesn't change its politics towards immigrants now, racism will become more and more institutionalized.
>
>Asians, Blacks and Latinos, the groups subjected to the most
>racism in America, barely even qualify as minorities in
>Europe.

What? Wrong
It's true that the representation of different groups of peoples are different in european countries than in USA (and of course it is also different from country to country, for example southern europe has many north african immigrants, while northern europe has many eastern european immigrants - not saying that eastern europeans aren't present in south europe or north africans aren't present in north europe).
But please. I went to school right next to the largest vietnamese "colony" in my country. Norway's largest minority is the pakistani, who first came to the country 30 years ago (i say that to remind you about how large numbers of minorities is a new phenomenon in many european countries, unlike USA). There are many of african descent (amongst those there probably is a big majority who only live here at the moment, planning to go home eventually).. you meet "african norwegians" in small towns as far up north as way above the polar circle. The african minority, they are also present. Less from south america, but they are also abit present (my new neighbour who arrived today is from colombia).

>European racism is more apparent in foreign policy rather
>than what goes on in the homeland.

I dont know.. Certain corporations, yes. Politicians, yes (just by being an european leader, and you can say just by being european, you support racism). But what is most obvious to me is what goes on in the homeland.

Read up on immigration into south europe (gibraltar, ceuta and the spanish coastline that faces morocco - and also italy and how it deals with ships filled to the edges with people who try to reach europe) and how the politicians, the right wing, deals with it. Read about the banlieues in france (where also poor french are living) and perhaps also the förortorna in sweden (similar to french banlieues, only not as extreme).

>I think that fear is historically and characteristically
>European.

Mh... i can at least speak for northern europe - the mountain cultures, the isolated cultures.

on the personal level it is an own mindset, an own type of personality that you keep seeing - "me, mine, us, we, not them, only us, they are threat, we are the true people, the real, they are a threat"

It takes some generations of working against it to be able to silence it. many are opposing it, so it will work

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    you will always go where the arrow points.

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      RE: whites vs europeans
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                               i can agree with you on 80%
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                               RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 15th 2002
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                                    point taken.
Jul 16th 2002
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                          RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 10th 2002
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                          RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 11th 2002
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have u been here?
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      RE: have u been here?
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           no resemblance?
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                RE: no resemblance?
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That's whay I keep saying.
Jul 08th 2002
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RE: That's whay I keep saying.
Jul 08th 2002
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So?
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      RE: So?
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      My bad....I guess I wasn't clear.
Jul 08th 2002
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           RE: someone with white skin.
Jul 08th 2002
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           I understand, and concur.
Jul 08th 2002
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                RE: I understand, and concur.
Jul 08th 2002
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                     I see why you say what you say
Jul 09th 2002
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           RE: My bad....I guess I wasn't clear.
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                The question cannot be answerred that easily
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                     RE: The question cannot be answerred that easily
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                          Not really...this is a bit long, bear with me.
Jul 08th 2002
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                               RE: Not really...this is a bit long, bear with me.
Jul 08th 2002
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                                    Word? well, okay.
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      RE: So?
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           LOL
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well
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...
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      u're assuming
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           true..
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                of course it's not the same
Jul 11th 2002
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                          but once again
Jul 11th 2002
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                          you are right
Jul 14th 2002
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                               i think
Jul 15th 2002
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                          also
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COSIGN
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      cosign
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                ditto
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RE: whites vs europeans
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a point about italy
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RE: a point about italy
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and when the German
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RE: and when the German
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oh
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i think
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      ok..
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           thank you for saying that
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RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 08th 2002
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but, i think,
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      what is
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           ps
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Let me say
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RE: Let me say
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      dont
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funny
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      RE: whites vs europeans
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           RE: whites vs europeans
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                yeah...
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                     RE: yeah...
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                          You jumpin the gun
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                               hah!
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well whad'yaknow
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yes
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      but
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           the us
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contrary to
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RE: contrary to
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you mean
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RE: contrary to
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      RE: contrary to
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no
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well, I'm not sure I quite get your reply, but...
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      mmm...
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      aaah, regionalism
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           RE: aaah, regionalism
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                speaking of regionalism
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                comment
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                     RE: aaah, regionalism
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                          RE: aaah, regionalism
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      did i reply to that?
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           my first post
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                uh huh
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RE: contrary to
A Nerd
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      Eurotrash
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      RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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           RE: Eurotrash
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                and now
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                     damn
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                     RE: damn
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                     byline
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                               *choke*
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                               My apologies
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                               RE: My apologies
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                               I've travelled through New Zealand
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                                    Did you even read my apology?
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                                    hey genius
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                               umm...
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                                    RE: umm...
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                               I am Maori
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                now, now
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                RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                RE: Eurotrash
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                     *edit*
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                     Yeah, I was gonna say that...
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                     much betta
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                          RE: much betta
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                     RE: *edit*
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                     RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                     RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                     RE: Eurotrash
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                          RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                                    RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                                         RE: Eurotrash
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                                              RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                                                   WHY???
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                                                   RE: WHY???
A Nerd
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                                                   Yeah, what he said...
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                                                   RE: Eurotrash
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                                                        RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                                                             RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
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                                                             Whatever...
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                                                             RE: Whatever...
A Nerd
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                                                             RE: Whatever...
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                                                             no
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                                                                  RE: no
A Nerd
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                                                                  RE: no
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
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                                                                  Two words...
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                                                                  RE: Two words...
A Nerd
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                                                                  holy jebus...
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                     this sub-discussion was
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                          RE: this sub-discussion was
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                     okay....
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                          RE: okay....
A Nerd
Jul 10th 2002
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                          ummm...
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                          EXACTLY!
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                               all in good fun.
Jul 10th 2002
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                     RE: Eurotrash
Jul 11th 2002
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                          RE: Eurotrash
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                               RE: Eurotrash
Jul 14th 2002
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                RE: Eurotrash
A Nerd
Jul 10th 2002
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      laughable
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      RE: laughable
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                RE: laughable
Jul 09th 2002
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                     well
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      RE: laughable
A Nerd
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           RE: laughable
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           RE: laughable
A Nerd
Jul 10th 2002
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           And England thinks...
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           RE: laughable
Jul 10th 2002
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                RE: laughable
A Nerd
Jul 10th 2002
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                     RE: laughable
Jul 11th 2002
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                          RE: laughable
A Nerd
Jul 11th 2002
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      What is meant by
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                RE: What is meant by
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                     RE: What is meant by
Jul 11th 2002
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                          RE: What is meant by
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                               RE: What is meant by
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RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 08th 2002
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hey hey hey
Jul 08th 2002
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RE: hey hey hey
A Nerd
Jul 09th 2002
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RE: hey hey hey
Jul 09th 2002
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      RE: hey hey hey
Jul 09th 2002
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      RE: hey hey hey
Jul 09th 2002
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           RE: hey hey hey
Jul 09th 2002
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                RE: hey hey hey
Jul 09th 2002
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                no
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                     please elaborate
Jul 10th 2002
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                          well
Jul 11th 2002
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Yes they are.
Jul 09th 2002
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my entire post summarized
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first of all
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RE: first of all
Jul 09th 2002
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scoff
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      i have to reply..
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      RE: i have to reply..
Jul 10th 2002
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      fucking scoff at me
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           reactionary widget
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                Sorry
Jul 11th 2002
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i go away for 1 day
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RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 09th 2002
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politicians vs the people
Jul 09th 2002
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      he may be talking about soccer
Jul 09th 2002
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           hehe but you are in england now
Jul 14th 2002
227
THERE IS NO WHITE RACE/ WHAT IS "WHITE"?
Jul 09th 2002
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RE: THERE IS NO WHITE RACE/ WHAT IS "WHITE"?
A Nerd
Jul 10th 2002
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      RE: THERE IS NO WHITE RACE/ WHAT IS "WHITE"?
Jul 10th 2002
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"Europeans"?
Jul 11th 2002
168
RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 11th 2002
188
RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
199
      RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
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      RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
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      by the way,
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           RE: by the way,
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
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RE: whites vs europeans
A Nerd
Jul 12th 2002
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RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 12th 2002
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      RE: whites vs europeans
Jul 12th 2002
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      we are good people
Jul 14th 2002
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           RE: we are good people
Jul 14th 2002
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