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i think solarus is deconstructing your theories. you might be calling his academic theorizing but i am beginning to think you are confusing the expressions of capitalism with this particular issue on race. > >>The Yoruba and Akan are very DISTINCT groups, too. >>Nonetheless they both possess languages from a common >>ancestor, and possess many similarities. Overall in the >>world scheme of things they shared more in common with one >>another than not.
this is very true for very many african tribes. there are very many differences culturally, but i feel that the core of our beliefs are more similar than different. different expressions, though. i mean which is why one group would be pastoralists or agriculturalists, have totally different lifestyles, but share certain common ideologies. and we can get into this if you want. so i would hesitate to claim that, "an ethiopian and some west afrikans >has more in common with me than with a south afrikan." even though i can relate to an indian, i know i have more in common with the other tribes from sub saharan africa...we could share the same ideas of family etc but if we are gonna use that basis, we can argue that every human being if you look hard enough shares one thing or the other with another. you can go as far as saying some of the scandinavian europeans, with the same ideas of family and social structure are "african". the reason we dont do that, is that our beliefs are NOT fundamentally the same.n that's wjy they are whatever they call themselves and i am an AFRICAN, with more in common with a west and south african, than the turks, persians, etc etc.
again if we get 'academic' (what's wrong with that). look at the patterns of migration, in africa. look at the history of the different tribes and where they come from. we share a common root. so of course we are going to share fundamental beliefs. its a bit naive to think otherwise. the west africans are considered to have migrated from the south, east and westwards (i could be wrong about this)... > >so what is inconsequential and waht is necessary? the fact >that my reality growing up is more similar to soemone in >afrika than you? not having food, medicine? being screwed >over by hypocritical leaders and the west (which u are a >part of and enjoy priviledges of)? > >>>seems like black skin, white mind/heart to me. >> >>Seems likes common sense to me. > >so the fact that the slums of africa and india are virtually >the same and affected by colonialism/globalizatoion is less >common and meaningful than skin color and origin? so what >do i have in common, reality wise, with say a french, or >even bulgarian, or a rich pakistani even? > >so who has more in common: a slum dweller from kibera >(kenya) and kachi basti (pakistan)? OR a slum dweller from >kinshasa and mobutu?
this is a question of how poverty expresses itself. every poor person will not have foodshelterclothing. it has nothing to do with cultural expression. as solarus said, shared poverty does not mean shared ancestry. we are not arguing class issues. the russian poor are living much in the same way as the rest of us, maybe not as intense a poverty as indian and the african poor, but that's a question of CAPITALISM. (where is mobutu?). > >"look yall, it cool to take pride in one's own. im ok with >that. its cool to say, look we gotta do this on/for our >own. its cool to say that we have such and such history and >present with this group, and these dynamics that need to be >fixed. its okay to say that we (as afrikans or indians or >vietnamese) have to deal with this in OUR OWN WAY/CULTURE. > >its NOT cool to say these people are all the same. thats >when u delegitimize my reality and history. when cultures, >and people were raped and taken away the same damn way as in >africa as in india as in suth east asia as in the americas.
MAYBE THIS HERE IS THE PROBLEM. by saying these people share common ideologies, cultural expressions, or can be called africanS, I DONT THINK WE ARE SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME. come on, give some of us some credit. we are aware of history and the shit that has gone down. by saying my father's tribe shares this with my mother's tribe, or even my father's tribe (dinka) considers another tribe (nuer) their cousins, that does not mean they are not different... they are... and we are not saying ignore that and say they are all the same, please, it would illogical to do that. but we are saying, they SHARE COMMONALITIES THAT MAKE THEM PART OF THE SAME TREE. which we are calling african. so what if an indian is as black as iam. if he/she does not share these core fundamental beliefs with me, i wont call them african, you know. which is why we still call the indians in kenya, indians, and not kenyans. at least i consider them that way..and that's not academic.
>anything that doesnt deal with peoples reality is just >academic theorizing or, in this case, racialism.
again, quit trying to talk about six different things, we can start a post about whatever racialism is (racism?)
. http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/ i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.
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