Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby Okay Activist Archives topic #5123

Subject: "neither does academic theorizing" This topic is locked.
Previous topic | Next topic
malang
Member since Oct 18th 2002
7081 posts
Fri Apr-11-03 08:47 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
77. "neither does academic theorizing"
In response to In response to 76
Fri Apr-11-03 09:03 AM

  

          

>Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't part of Turkey in Europe?
>
>Take some geography lessons

part of turkey is in europe. many turkish people ARE wannabe europeans. but culturally, soically, etc etc the common turkish person has just as much in common with brish or french as with an ethiopian.


>The Yoruba and Akan are very DISTINCT groups, too.
>Nonetheless they both possess languages from a common
>ancestor, and possess many similarities. Overall in the
>world scheme of things they shared more in common with one
>another than not.

your point about different african groups may or may not be true. but the groups mentioned in this discussion (western european, eastern european, turkish, arab, persian, indian) they dont share that much in common to group them as one.

do they have the same origin? maybe, maybe not. it doesnt matter. we all share a common origin if we go back enough. i dont care if my great grandfather was a damn cockroach....what i want is my due as a human being. and that has been fucked over by western european colonialism. by rich mudaphucas u who dont give a fuck, even if u the same color/tribe.

"indo-european" theory is still a theory. developed by William Jones in order to include brahminic knowledge into the fold of "europeans" the same way they try to do with egyptian civilization.

the indo-european language theory only goes as far as turkish, kurdish, and somewhat persian. evn those are suspect.

it is based on these things. i'll give u some examples of urdu, spanish, english.

do=dos=two
teen=tres=three
nauN=nuevo=nine
das=diez=ten
nahiN=no=no
maaN=mama=mother

thats REALLY it, when u get to indo languages....rest is baseless....the no, and mother word are the same in many african languages and vietnamese too...so? IT MAY BE MORE IN common with turkish and kurdish, but not by much.

>There is a history of conflict amongst just about EVERY
>group in the WORLD!!!!
>
>French vs. English (European)
>Han vs. Mongolians (Asia)
>Igbo vs. Yoruba (Afrika)
>Do I need to continue? That argument is thrown out too.

the history of conflict doesnt mean that they are together and seperate. it shows where we are today. while u benefit from american AND first world priviledge, turkish, persian, indian, arab, even eastern european kids eat food off the street. why? colonialism, western domination, racism, etc etc...

THAT is real life shit...not academic theorizing that u and yuckwheat are doing.

>More rhetoric. I'm sure I can find a Hutu who doesn't want
>to be grouped along with Tutsi in Rwanda because of years of
>group infighting. But ask just about any continental
>Afrikan abroad being "lumped together" with other Afrikans
>when comparing them lifestyles to foreign realities.

honestly, in some ways, an ethiopian and some west afrikans has more in common with me than with a south afrikan. family structure, social structure. and in some ways they dont. where do u draw the line?


>Besides "lumping" groups together is not an attempt to
>"delegitimize" anyone's reality. It is simply a matter of
>taking out inconsequentials to focus on what is necessary.
>From the perspective of a Fiji apple, I'm sure that a Golden
>Delicious apple is totally different in taste and look.
>However they are both apples. And when the two are compared
>to A zucchini and acorn squash (which are both types of
>squash) then we see that although both are types of food
>derived from plants they can be "lumped together" in two
>groups: apples and squash. For the sake of discussion this
>is logical and makes for efficient, simplified and
>comprehensible groups for comparing/contrasting.

so what is inconsequential and waht is necessary? the fact that my reality growing up is more similar to soemone in afrika than you? not having food, medicine? being screwed over by hypocritical leaders and the west (which u are a part of and enjoy priviledges of)?

>>seems like black skin, white mind/heart to me.
>
>Seems likes common sense to me.

so the fact that the slums of africa and india are virtually the same and affected by colonialism/globalizatoion is less common and meaningful than skin color and origin? so what do i have in common, reality wise, with say a french, or even bulgarian, or a rich pakistani even?

so who has more in common: a slum dweller from kibera (kenya) and kachi basti (pakistan)? OR a slum dweller from kinshasa and mobutu?

u can choose the academic theorizing answer or the ground reality.

****************************************************************

look yall, it cool to take pride in one's own. im ok with that. its cool to say, look we gotta do this on/for our own. its cool to say that we have such and such history and present with this group, and these dynamics that need to be fixed. its okay to say that we (as afrikans or indians or vietnamese) have to deal with this in OUR OWN WAY/CULTURE.

its NOT cool to say these people are all the same. thats when u delegitimize my reality and history. when cultures, and people were raped and taken away the same damn way as in africa as in india as in suth east asia as in the americas.

anything that doesnt deal with peoples reality is just academic theorizing or, in this case, racialism.

  

Printer-friendly copy


A Question about Afrikan Thinking [View all] , Kala Akbar, Mon Apr-07-03 07:19 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
simple.
Apr 07th 2003
1
RE: simple.
Apr 07th 2003
4
this is gonna sound "odd"
Apr 07th 2003
5
      since I was thinking of making a similar post
Apr 07th 2003
6
           i thought i did.
Apr 07th 2003
7
                RE: i thought i did.
Apr 07th 2003
15
                     you should inbox me a phone number.
Apr 08th 2003
32
Correct me if I am wrong
Apr 10th 2003
68
where did we go wrong?
Apr 07th 2003
2
answer:
Apr 07th 2003
3
      again, which COUNTRY in "afrika"
Apr 07th 2003
9
           dumbass question.
Apr 08th 2003
33
Which country in "Afrika"?
Apr 07th 2003
8
Allah, we've been over this ground before brotha.
Apr 07th 2003
10
      what exactly did I say I "understood"?
Apr 07th 2003
13
           The reasoning, but you still didn't like sumin- I forg
Apr 07th 2003
14
                yeah, I didn't like the term Africa and Afrika
Apr 07th 2003
16
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 07th 2003
11
See this is an example
Apr 07th 2003
12
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 07th 2003
17
      RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 07th 2003
21
      RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 07th 2003
22
           RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 08th 2003
25
.
Apr 07th 2003
18
RE: .
Apr 07th 2003
19
My response
Apr 08th 2003
30
      RE: My response
Apr 08th 2003
34
thumbs up to this:
Apr 08th 2003
24
RE: thumbs up to this:
Apr 08th 2003
27
      are you serious?
Apr 08th 2003
28
sad
Apr 09th 2003
39
      RE: sad
Apr 09th 2003
40
      RE: sad
Apr 10th 2003
50
           RE: sad
Apr 10th 2003
53
                RE: sad
Apr 10th 2003
56
                     RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
70
                     RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
78
                          RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
80
                          RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
84
                          RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
85
                               RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
86
                                    RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
87
                                         RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
88
                                              RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
89
                                                   RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
90
                                                        peace
Apr 11th 2003
91
                          why sad?
Apr 11th 2003
94
                          RE: why sad?
Apr 14th 2003
118
                               RE: why sad?
Apr 14th 2003
120
                                    RE: why sad?
Apr 14th 2003
127
                                         RE: why sad?
Apr 14th 2003
129
                                              RE: why sad?
Apr 14th 2003
130
                          RE: sad
Apr 12th 2003
99
                               RE: sad
Apr 14th 2003
117
                          RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
95
                     RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
71
                          RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
79
                               RE: sad
Apr 11th 2003
81
      Inclusiveness is not
Apr 11th 2003
75
           RE: Inclusiveness is not
Apr 11th 2003
92
                ...
Apr 12th 2003
111
african discourse?
Apr 07th 2003
20
RE: african discourse?
Apr 08th 2003
26
      By "Afrikan"
Apr 08th 2003
31
i have a question-
Apr 07th 2003
23
RE: i have a question-
Apr 08th 2003
29
      okay-
Apr 09th 2003
45
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 09th 2003
35
only "we" share
Apr 09th 2003
36
RE: only "we" share
Apr 09th 2003
37
      in retrospect...
Apr 09th 2003
38
           RE: in retrospect...
Apr 09th 2003
41
           RE: in retrospect...
Apr 09th 2003
42
           RE: in retrospect...
Apr 09th 2003
43
           I think that is an important discussion though
Apr 09th 2003
47
           KABOOM!
Apr 09th 2003
48
           it's not a real continent though
Apr 09th 2003
46
                RE: it's not a real continent though
Apr 10th 2003
49
                RE: it's not a real continent though
Apr 10th 2003
51
                     continent:....whatever man...
Apr 10th 2003
52
                     no they are not
Apr 10th 2003
54
                          RE: no they are not
Apr 10th 2003
55
                          there is black people in eastern and northern asia too
Apr 10th 2003
57
                               so what?
Apr 10th 2003
59
                               you mean...
Apr 10th 2003
60
                                    ...
Apr 10th 2003
64
                                         at least you are basing it on something real (language)
Apr 10th 2003
66
                                         RE: at least you are basing it on something real (langu
Apr 11th 2003
69
                                              Wasting your Time
Apr 11th 2003
74
                                         RE: ...
Apr 11th 2003
73
                                              Group infighting means nothing
Apr 11th 2003
76
                                                  
                                                        RE: neither does academic theorizing
Apr 11th 2003
82
                                                        RE: neither does academic theorizing
Apr 11th 2003
83
                                                        !
Apr 11th 2003
97
                                                        RE: !
Apr 14th 2003
121
                                                             RE: !
Apr 14th 2003
123
                                                                  RE: !
Apr 14th 2003
128
                                                                       adding
Apr 14th 2003
132
                                                        RE: neither does academic theorizing
Apr 12th 2003
100
                                                             go ahead
Apr 12th 2003
114
                                                             good points
Apr 14th 2003
125
                               RE: there is black people in eastern and northern asia
Apr 10th 2003
63
                                    5%= empty rhetoric
Apr 10th 2003
65
                                         what is real bull s is this whole "africa" stuff
Apr 10th 2003
67
                                              You truly are a "Greek"
Apr 11th 2003
72
                          RE: no they are not
Apr 10th 2003
61
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 12th 2003
103
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 09th 2003
44
*shoots self in head*
Apr 10th 2003
58
      RE: *shoots self in head*
Apr 10th 2003
62
           OK haters
Apr 11th 2003
93
                significant?
Apr 11th 2003
96
                stop being OKignorant.
Apr 12th 2003
101
                     RE: stop being OKignorant.
Apr 12th 2003
102
                     challenge
Apr 12th 2003
104
                          Point?
Apr 12th 2003
109
                               RE: Point?
Apr 12th 2003
112
                                    RE: Point?
Apr 14th 2003
116
                                         uh...
Apr 14th 2003
119
                                              RE: uh...
Apr 14th 2003
122
                                              read their words and find out
Apr 14th 2003
124
                                              RE: uh...
Apr 14th 2003
131
                                                   RE: uh...
Apr 14th 2003
133
so highly syncretized
Apr 11th 2003
98
RE: so highly syncretized
Apr 12th 2003
105
      you missed my point
Apr 12th 2003
106
           RE: you missed my point
Apr 12th 2003
107
                RE: you missed my point
Apr 12th 2003
108
                It's not about WHO is "truly"
Apr 12th 2003
110
                     this is slippery
Apr 12th 2003
113
                          "Traditional"
Apr 14th 2003
126
RE: A Question about Afrikan Thinking
Apr 13th 2003
115

Lobby Okay Activist Archives topic #5123 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com