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Ubuntu's respect for the particularity of the other, links up closely to its respect for individuality. But, be it noted, the individuality which Ubuntu respects, is not of Cartesian making. On the contrary, Ubuntu directly contradicts the Cartesian conception of individuality in terms of which the individual or self can be conceived without thereby necessarily conceiving the other. The Cartesian individual exists prior to, or separately and independently from the rest of the community or society. The rest of society is nothing but an added extra to a pre-existent and self-sufficient being. This "modernistic" and "atomistic" conception of individuality lies at the bottom of both individualism and collectivism (cf. Macquarrie, 1972:104). Individualism exaggerates seemingly solitary aspects of human existence to the detriment of communal aspects. Collectivism makes the same mistake, only on a larger scale. For the collectivist, society is nothing but a bunch or collection of separately existing, solitary (i.e. detached) individuals.

By contrast, Ubuntu defines the individual in terms of his/her relationship with others (Shutte, 1993:46ff). According to this definition, individuals only exist in their relationships with others, and as these relationships change, so do the characters of the individuals. Thus understood, the word "individual" signifies a plurality of personalities corresponding to the multiplicity of relationships in which the individual in question stands. Being an individual by definition means "being-with-others". "With-others", as Macquarrie rightly observes, "...is not added on to a pre-existent and self-sufficient being; rather, both this being (the self) and the others find themselves in a whole wherein they are already related" (1972:104). This is all somewhat boggling for the Cartesian mind, whose conception of individuality now has to move from solitary to solidarity, from independence to interdependence, from individuality vis-à-vis community to individuality à la community.

In the West, individualism often translates into an impetuous competitiveness. Individual interest rules supreme and society or others are regarded as nothing but a means to individual ends (cf. Khoza, 1994:4, 5, 7; Prinsloo, 1997:2). This is in stark contrast to the African preference for co-operation, group work or shosholoza ("work as one", i.e. team work). There are approximately 800 000 so-called "stokvels" in South Africa. Stokvels are joint undertakings or collective enterprises, such as savings clubs, burial societies and other (often formally registered) cooperatives. The stokvel economy might be described as capitalism with siza (humanness), or, if you like, a socialist form of capitalism. Making a profit is important, but never if it involves the exploitation of others. Profits are shared on an equal basis. As such, stokvels are based on the Ubuntu "extended family system", i.e. all involved should be considered as brothers and sisters, members of the same family (Broodryk, 1997a:4, 11, 13-14; 1997b:38f, 70f; Lukhele, 1990).


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Ubuntu: An African Assessment of the Religious Other [View all] , Solarus, Mon Apr-07-03 03:31 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Ubuntu and religion
Apr 07th 2003
1
He's out from the void
Apr 08th 2003
13
Ubuntu and consensus
Apr 07th 2003
2
This is VERY potent
Apr 08th 2003
14
Ubuntu and dialogue: particularity
Apr 07th 2003
3
some thoughts... i don't understand 'cartesian' in
Apr 08th 2003
9
the elements and connections model can be seen
Apr 08th 2003
10
Solarur :individuality
Apr 09th 2003
17
      The Difference
Apr 10th 2003
18
           RE: The Difference
Apr 10th 2003
19
Ubuntu and dialogue: historicality
Apr 09th 2003
15
Glossary of Terms
Apr 07th 2003
5
Beautiful Post
Apr 08th 2003
6
I'll reply shortly
Apr 08th 2003
7
I think we should
May 01st 2003
30
excellent point (re: "who your people")
Apr 08th 2003
8
been thinking about the concepts...
Apr 08th 2003
11
been thinking about the concepts too...
Apr 11th 2003
21
RE: been thinking about the concepts...
Apr 11th 2003
22
it's been so long since u posted
Apr 08th 2003
12
had to print it out
Apr 14th 2003
24
      still haven't read, so ^
Apr 24th 2003
26
           ^
Apr 30th 2003
29
Conclusion: The uniqueness of Ubuntu
Apr 09th 2003
16
i really
Apr 11th 2003
20
^
Apr 14th 2003
23
Um, unless I missed it...
Apr 24th 2003
27
archive
Apr 23rd 2003
25
up again
Apr 25th 2003
28
up...please archive. n/m
May 05th 2003
31

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