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14. "This is VERY potent"
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>However, the desire to agree, which—within the context of
>Ubuntu—is supposed to safeguard the rights and opinions of
>individuals and minorities, is often exploited to enforce
>group solidarity. Because of its extreme emphasis on
>community, Ubuntu democracy might be abused to legitimize
>what Sono calls the "constrictive nature" or "tyrannical
>custom" of a derailed African culture, especially its
>"totalitarian communalism" which "...frowns upon elevating
>one beyond the community" (1994:xiii, xv). The role of the
>group in African consciousness, says Sono, could be
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>...overwhelming, totalistic, even totalitarian. Group
>psychology, though parochially and narrowly based...,
>nonetheless pretends universality. This mentality, this
>psychology is stronger on belief than on reason; on sameness
>than on difference. Discursive rationality is overwhelmed by
>emotional identity, by the obsession to identify with and by
>the longing to conform to. To agree is more important than
>to disagree; conformity is cherished more than innovation.
>Tradition is venerated, continuity revered, change feared
>and difference shunned. Heresies >creations of intellectual African individuals, or refusal to
>participate in communalism] are not tolerated in such
>communities (199 ; cf. also Louw, 1995).
>
>In short, although it articulates such important values as
>respect, human dignity and compassion, the Ubuntu desire for
>consensus also has a potential dark side in terms of which
>it demands an oppressive conformity and loyalty to the
>group. Failure to conform will be met by harsh punitive
>measures (cf. Mbigi & Maree, 1995:58; Sono, 1994:11, 17; Van
>Niekerk, 1994:4). Such a derailment of Ubuntu is, of course,
>quite unnecessary. The process of nation-building in
>post-apartheid South Africa does not, for example, require
>universal sameness or oppressive communalism. What it does
>require, is true Ubuntu. It requires an authentic respect
>for human/individual rights and related values, and an
>honest appreciation of differences (Sindane, 199 ;
>Degenaar, 1996:23).

I can definitely see all of this. It definitely has it's manifestations amongst the african cultural community here in the states as well.

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Ubuntu: An African Assessment of the Religious Other [View all] , Solarus, Mon Apr-07-03 03:31 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Ubuntu and religion
Apr 07th 2003
1
He's out from the void
Apr 08th 2003
13
Ubuntu and consensus
Apr 07th 2003
2
Ubuntu and dialogue: particularity
Apr 07th 2003
3
Ubuntu and dialogue: individuality
Apr 07th 2003
4
some thoughts... i don't understand 'cartesian' in
Apr 08th 2003
9
the elements and connections model can be seen
Apr 08th 2003
10
Solarur :individuality
Apr 09th 2003
17
      The Difference
Apr 10th 2003
18
           RE: The Difference
Apr 10th 2003
19
Ubuntu and dialogue: historicality
Apr 09th 2003
15
Glossary of Terms
Apr 07th 2003
5
Beautiful Post
Apr 08th 2003
6
I'll reply shortly
Apr 08th 2003
7
I think we should
May 01st 2003
30
excellent point (re: "who your people")
Apr 08th 2003
8
been thinking about the concepts...
Apr 08th 2003
11
been thinking about the concepts too...
Apr 11th 2003
21
RE: been thinking about the concepts...
Apr 11th 2003
22
it's been so long since u posted
Apr 08th 2003
12
had to print it out
Apr 14th 2003
24
      still haven't read, so ^
Apr 24th 2003
26
           ^
Apr 30th 2003
29
Conclusion: The uniqueness of Ubuntu
Apr 09th 2003
16
i really
Apr 11th 2003
20
^
Apr 14th 2003
23
Um, unless I missed it...
Apr 24th 2003
27
archive
Apr 23rd 2003
25
up again
Apr 25th 2003
28
up...please archive. n/m
May 05th 2003
31

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