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39. "RE: God, evil, omnipotence"
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>What do you think of this quote:
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>Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not
>omnipotent.
>Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
>Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
>Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?
>- Epicurus, Greek philosopher (342-270 BC)
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This reminds me of Mackie's formulation of the problem of Evil. He basically says that a benevolent God and the existence of Evil are logically incompatible. My response: My problem is with the general notion that God, and It’s actions, must be logically accessible and determinable by our human faculties. But what if every explanation is not accessible by logic? What if there are possible, illogical explanations? Mackie argues that even if the Paradox of Omnipotence can by solved by putting God outside of time, it would not be possible for there to be a God who “binds himself by causal or logical laws" (a God who is unwilling to stop Evil, as described in the quote you mention). The Paradox he describes is basically the idea question of whether or not an omnipotent being can create something which he cannot then control. By placing God outside of time, we rob his actions of any temporal significance. But if this is true, then we cannot understand God as binding himself in such a way that allows him to first, create a thing, and then, subsequently, not be able to control it. In other words, such a God would be operating in a temporal way, which does not compute with the idea of God being outside of Time.
My problem, however is this: even if it is true that such an idea (of an a-temporal God who can commit temporal actions), does not logically compute, what difference does it make? We’re talking about God. Since when must God acquiesce to, or conform to, our definitions of what is possible and what is not possible? Can we really seek to understand God in the same kind of way that we would approach understanding any other being? I suppose my question is, is God subject to our logic? Personally, I resolve the problem of evil by a complex system of beliefs that basically boils down: evil doesn’t exist.

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why dodge the lighting bolt?
May 22nd 2003
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      I look at the bible and paradise lost
May 23rd 2003
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           like my teacher told me...
May 23rd 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 20th 2003
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good analogy but...
May 22nd 2003
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      RE: good analogy but...
May 22nd 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 21st 2003
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      I want to reply when I have more time...
May 21st 2003
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           look forward to hearing from you
May 22nd 2003
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                RE: look forward to hearing from you
May 25th 2003
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                It's not about having it both ways
May 25th 2003
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                RE: It's not about having it both ways
May 25th 2003
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                RE: look forward to hearing from you
May 27th 2003
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                okay...
May 29th 2003
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                do you believe Christ to be the Son of God..
May 29th 2003
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                on my own terms
Jun 13th 2003
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                     RE: on my own terms
Jun 13th 2003
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                let's deal with what you think are contradications:
Jun 09th 2003
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                     RE: let's deal with what you think are contradications:
Jun 10th 2003
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                     RE: let's deal with what you think are contradications:
Jun 10th 2003
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                PS
May 29th 2003
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                     Thank you for your time
May 29th 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 20th 2003
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      why is it hard to believe
May 21st 2003
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           After the flood,
May 21st 2003
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           back up a little
May 21st 2003
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           if god is perfect
Jun 20th 2003
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He should be showing up any minute now....
May 20th 2003
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RE: He should be showing up any minute now....
May 20th 2003
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dont spend your money if it ainet bread
May 25th 2003
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and Lord knows I cant wait
May 23rd 2003
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SWEET...
May 20th 2003
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RE: SWEET...
May 20th 2003
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I disagree
Jun 20th 2003
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I think you made a few mistakes
May 21st 2003
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      RE: I think you made a few mistakes
May 21st 2003
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      RE: I think you made a few mistakes
May 21st 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 21st 2003
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Good points
May 21st 2003
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      RE: Good points
May 22nd 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 21st 2003
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Simple.
May 22nd 2003
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RE: the real question
May 25th 2003
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      "god" is not a person or thing
May 25th 2003
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      RE: the real question
May 25th 2003
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           RE: the real question
May 25th 2003
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                Taosim
Jul 17th 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
May 29th 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
Jun 01st 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
Jun 01st 2003
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God is the name of the species
Jun 02nd 2003
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I wrote a long reply
Jul 07th 2003
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Up
Jun 09th 2003
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What is the definition of evil?
Jun 09th 2003
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It's hard to define evil w/o universal morality
Jun 26th 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
Jun 20th 2003
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He?
Jun 20th 2003
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Interesting
Jun 20th 2003
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It's all personal
Jun 20th 2003
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This is one of the reasons i don't believe
Jun 20th 2003
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I read Isaiah 45:7 which says "I form light and create.
Jun 26th 2003
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Wow - this verse helps my argument...
Jul 02nd 2003
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      God proves man thru satan
Jul 02nd 2003
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           RE: God proves man thru satan
Jul 02nd 2003
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                RE: God proves man thru satan
Jul 02nd 2003
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                     I agree about...
Jul 03rd 2003
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Jul 04th 2003
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                          this my help
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                               RE: this my help
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Archive
Jul 17th 2003
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RE: God, evil, omnipotence
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Well when do you stop role playing in life???
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