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ya Setshego
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50. "Elders"
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This Brothah is so deep. There's so much I can type on this section, but I'm about to run to the store, so I'll be brief. One thing I would like to state is, that even under the oppression of colonialism, there are vestiges of traditional Afrikan culture in modern-day Africa. I even witnessed that last summer in Kenya. The wife of the cook where we stayed called one of her twins "Mami". The white people in my group thought that made absolutely no sense...to refer to your own child as "Mami", when YOU are the 'Mommy'. It just was not logical. I understood it, because I've seen people in Latin cultures do it, and even Black Americans will call so-called grown children Lil' Mama, or boys Lil' Big Man. According to Dr. Some', the Dagara recognize the very young as Elders, just like the very old, because the very young are Spirits who just came forth from the Spirit World, and the very old are about to return there. This is why the very young and very old have a natural affinity for one another. They are on the same wavelength. I think that Black Americans and Latin Americans remember that on some level, from traditional Africa, and are acting this phenomenon out, w/o even knowing why. I also know from personal experience that the very young DEFINITELY know things that they have not even lived long enough to know, and when they encounter certain things for supposedly the first time, they know all about it already. When my niece was 2, my brother-in-law was playing blues from the Mississippi Delta one day. My niece JUMPED UP, held on to the doorway, and did this DIP, as if to say, "Umph! This is my SONG!" Like old folks do when they dance to this music in jukejoints. The whole family just stared at her in disbelief. It was uncanny. Finally my sister broke our silence and exclaimed, "UMPH! You must have really felt that, huh?" That is just one instance of many behaviors that she exhibited early on that made it clear that she had been here before. Another example: my supervisor had a 2-year old when I did my grad externship. She told me that she turned out all the lights in her house one Friday night, burned a white candle in the middle of the living room floor(we were reading Tapping the Power W/in-Iyanla Vanzant at the time) and sat across it from her daughter. She said she looked very deeply into her daughters eyes and said, "My Spirit is speaking to your Spirit now. I'd like to know, why are you here?" She said her daughter did not bat an eye, stared back at her equally as intently, AT AGE TWO, and stated, "To show you your true worth, and power, through what I do, since I came from you." It freaked her out so badly, that when she told me the story Monday morning, she took me into a private area of the office, so no one else would overhear and think she was a lunatic. LAST NIGHT, on dr. Chissel's radio station, Iyanla Vanzant touched on this subject, and described an experience with her grandson when he was 3. She stated that her grandson, from the backseat of her car said, "Yeye, don't go into that place where you're going." She replied, "Why not?" He said, "Because I'm a church man, and you're a church woman. But BEFORE you were the church man, and I was a church woman." Iyanla said she was freaked out by what he said, but she trusted that his wisdom was coming from an Ancestral Space, so she heeded his advice, and changed her course immediately.

Another part about this section that moved me was Dr. Some's distinction on what it means to be an Elder, and how once you acquire a certain amount of wisdom, and are able to share it w/ others, in such a way that they are able to improve their life situations, you qualify as an Elder. It is not based on whether you are past 65, or whatever. Based on his definition then, that means that I could be an Elder, which is a really cool thought.

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Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

  

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Healing Wisdom of Africa [View all] , ya Setshego, Sun Mar-23-03 01:27 PM
 
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Introduction and Chapter One
Mar 23rd 2003
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Keep this up
Mar 24th 2003
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the whole thing is available online
Mar 24th 2003
3
R U joining
Mar 24th 2003
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      sure
Mar 24th 2003
5
RE: Introduction and Chapter One
Mar 24th 2003
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      Get the power ourselves
Mar 27th 2003
10
i'm gonna have to give up theinternet during this fast.
Mar 25th 2003
7
Keep this up
Mar 27th 2003
8
up...
Mar 27th 2003
9
      Ok guys,
Mar 27th 2003
11
           re-upp
Apr 01st 2003
21
           Suria
Apr 03rd 2003
24
                RE: Siura
Apr 04th 2003
28
                RE: Siura
Jun 04th 2003
80
                     RE: Siura
Jun 17th 2003
90
                the spirit of intimacy...i just reread it
Apr 10th 2003
40
                     RE: the spirit of intimacy...i just reread it
Jun 17th 2003
89
                     RE%3A the spirit of intimacy...i just reread it
Jun 18th 2003
91
one thing that struck me
Mar 28th 2003
12
The thing that struck me
Mar 31st 2003
13
      that's
Mar 31st 2003
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           That's part of thr rub
Mar 31st 2003
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                that struck me, too
Mar 31st 2003
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                     Exactly
Mar 31st 2003
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Excerpt from page 54
Mar 31st 2003
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when i read this book
Mar 31st 2003
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That's where I am now
Mar 31st 2003
20
      that was about my fav part in the book!
Apr 01st 2003
22
      Running naked
Apr 03rd 2003
23
           two things: thing 1
Apr 04th 2003
25
           thing 2
Apr 04th 2003
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                I like the poem
Apr 04th 2003
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                     no
Apr 07th 2003
30
                          Seriously
Apr 09th 2003
33
                               i love her writing
Apr 10th 2003
34
                                    Peace to us all
Apr 10th 2003
35
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Apr 07th 2003
29
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Apr 09th 2003
31
Yeah, so anyway
Apr 09th 2003
32
Mentorship in the West
Apr 12th 2003
41
      up
Apr 19th 2003
42
      Rituals
Apr 25th 2003
48
          
           i've seen this
Apr 28th 2003
51
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Apr 10th 2003
36
nope
Apr 10th 2003
38
I gotta get this book...
Apr 10th 2003
37
it was either
Apr 10th 2003
39
      RE: it was either
Apr 21st 2003
43
ya'll are gonna have to keep this going, cus I'm readin
Apr 21st 2003
44
Two Thousand Seasons........
Apr 21st 2003
45
      RE: Two Thousand Seasons........
Apr 25th 2003
49
up
Apr 24th 2003
46
RE-up
Apr 25th 2003
47
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
May 01st 2003
52
I think we should
May 01st 2003
53
I have read it.
May 04th 2003
55
      Are you up for
May 07th 2003
58
I'm getting very excited
May 03rd 2003
54
Up
May 05th 2003
56
So much
May 07th 2003
57
fire
May 08th 2003
59
The Ritual
May 11th 2003
60
was there a good turnout for the workshop?
May 12th 2003
63
      There was
May 12th 2003
64
GL,
May 11th 2003
61
      i can't
May 12th 2003
62
           I guess
May 13th 2003
65
                uhm
May 14th 2003
66
FIRE
May 14th 2003
67
      Tassili Maat
May 15th 2003
68
The Dagara Medicine Wheel
May 18th 2003
69
I got those directions wrong
May 18th 2003
70
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
May 21st 2003
71
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
May 22nd 2003
72
Ritual in everyday life
May 23rd 2003
73
Creating ritual here...
May 23rd 2003
74
      i would hesitate to say that
May 23rd 2003
75
           Notes from the workshop & 2 Rituals in Baltimore
May 27th 2003
76
           Rituals will be
May 27th 2003
77
           Chief Eagle Bear is
Jun 02nd 2003
78
RE: Technology
Jun 03rd 2003
79
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jun 04th 2003
81
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jun 05th 2003
82
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jun 09th 2003
83
Just when you thought I had let this go...
Jun 14th 2003
86
      i remember him talking about this
Jun 16th 2003
87
           I'm not done yet
Jun 17th 2003
88
hey all
Jun 09th 2003
84
commercialization
Jun 10th 2003
85
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jun 20th 2003
92
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jun 23rd 2003
93
RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jul 02nd 2003
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RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jul 08th 2003
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RE: Healing Wisdom of Africa
Jul 11th 2003
96
Chapt. 5 may be of interest to you, Firebrand.
Jul 11th 2003
97
^
Jul 14th 2003
98
Oh, what the heck, WHICH COUNTRY IN "africa"?
Jul 14th 2003
99
who drew those borders, allah?
Jul 14th 2003
100
just started reading it.....
Jul 14th 2003
101
RE: just started reading it.....
Jul 18th 2003
102

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