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37. "im with you"
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>i called him out as a reactionary & said this was a bullshit
>attack.
>
>for those of us who claim love or respect for hip hop, why
>are we so slow to criticize?

the problem with the analyzations so far are that they tend to put hip hop in its own vacuum...which already handicaps and skews any discussion to one side with hip hop being used as the scapegoat. i dont know too many people that have tried to tie in the societal violence in general to hip hop's celebration of violence..the same can be said of mysoginy, and any of the numerous other ills that plague the artform...its a small reflective sample...i dont know that hip hop needs to be analyzed before a serious assessment of the violent culture that birthed hip hop...the problem with that though is if you dont analyze, its as if hip hop has been accepted regardless of right or wrong..

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>you know, the violence question is a hard one. since we are
>blamed for so much & are accused of being the most violent
>folks around these days (usually by the most violent people
>history has ever produced), it becomes very difficult to
>take it one. even if we don't agree with the analysis that
>gets thrown at us, where are our own? do we (young, hip-hop
>loving people) try to broaden the understanding of what it
>means to be violent? do we dig deep into just how culture
>effects us individually or as a people? how many of us say
>that nina simone's music is inspiring or that donny
>hathaway is healing, but the minute people talk about
>shooting in music we act like it has no effect. it's weird
>& *ahem* dishonest. i know my comaprisons might come off as
>a little flimsy here, but you get what i'm saying.
>
>nina & donny's music disappeared for the same reason we now
>got 50 platnumizing. culture is one of the best forms of
>warfare out there. i just think it would be a shame if we
>don't examine it more closely.

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How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks [View all] , k_orr, Wed Aug-06-03 01:43 AM
 
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we have more fun with stuff like this
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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Old dude's just mad cause
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this seems like fodder for whites
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      this dude is buggin'
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society's influence...
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RE: society's influence...
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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kids
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      RE: kids
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The Believer
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well said
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i don't fully agree
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      RE: i don't fully agree
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           which is why i used the word fully
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Umm.. the same thing can be said
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RE: Umm.. the same thing can be said
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RE: Umm.. the same thing can be said
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who is this assclown. and how can anyone
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black prof @ CA university
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he's one of those
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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Damn......
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he was too scared to confront them?
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yeah right
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you scared too?
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      This foo said
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RE: he was too scared to confront them?
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they're kids being kids
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      well he did what any 'activist' would do
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      kids need adult guidance
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      RE: they're kids being kids
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I don't fuck with these young kids today....
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      seriously
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      hahah@you scared of kids
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           yeah whatever, tough guy
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      gun? what gun?
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           yo these kids in NY today
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RE: How Hip Hop Holds Back Blacks
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co-sign - im one of 'em
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I listened to PE too
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This guy is a prof?
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this corny one
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      he should stick to linguistics
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Come on, rap music?
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RE: Come on, rap music?
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a good question though:
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keyword though
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hence my question
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      i agree with this
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           what 'revolution'..?
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don't we criticize hip-hop all the time?
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      i've seen some
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           read the Boondocks sometime
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                thanks. maybe i'll try that.
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                     yeah, maybe you should
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                          you're arguing with yourself
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                               more like arguing with a brick wall
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                                    again, that would be with yourself
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                                         yadda yadda yadda
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'You are straight-up whiter than the WHITEST white man!
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please
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ha - that DOES sound like something out of CB4!
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if hip-hop activists
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So Hip-Hop Elevates Blacks?
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the whole topic is ignant
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Just think ...
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and there's something wrong with that?
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      I think music period
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           this speaks to our ignorance.
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                co-sign to the fullest...
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                     He hasn't done any controlled studies
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YOU KNOW WHATS FUNNY!?!?
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I usually like McWhorter's stuff but I wasn't feelin th
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THE REALITY IS...
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RE: THE REALITY IS...
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      RE: THE REALITY IS...
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      RE: THE REALITY IS...
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Cop killer is a HEAVY METAL song
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this is a good article
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RE: this is a good article
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