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11. "first off let me say"
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Wed Jul-13-05 11:38 AM by suave_bro

          

that I'm feeling these posts. the average white okayplayer is afraid to speak their minds and even ask questions...ive seen white okayp's literally cower to ignorant negroes and not defend themselves out of fear of being called a racist, so Its good to see a few white okayp's actually have the balls to ask simple questions...


>I have offended many of you with my precipitous race posts,
>which were, in fact, posted more so out of spite and agitation
>than honest curiosity and conviction.

- I get the posts. the black mind is a complex thing; but one thing you need to know, when u see something that looks like a bunch of illogical bullshit, 10 times out of 10 it is! regardless of how far back in history these mofoes take u or try and say shit like "aww u just dont get it!", its still bullshit.

>What I see in America are two diverse groups--white and
>black--who at our cores, respectively, do not see eye to eye
>on many issues relevant to the way we perceive and relate to
>one another.

- that is changing rapidly though. but u are correct.

>Myself, all I want is for this gap between our races to be
>eradicated--for this chasm to be mended. I would like America
>to be whole, so, I ask for the sake of disabusing myself or
>anyother okaywhiteplayer of any erroneous notions we may
>have:
>
>1) What problems do you see within the black community as
>detrimental to your advancement.

- for me I have 3 main ones that are very broad and can be broken down into MANY sub categories and NONE of them have to do with white people, the system, or slavery.

1) E D U C A T I O N - education gives you options. when somebody doesnt have an education, they are forced to work these bullshit demeaning jobs or worse, involve themselves in a life a crime and corruption. this is common sense to those of us who have been paying attention, but its hard to pay attention when education is seen as uncool and not "black" like most black youth do (which is important, when u get a kid early thinking this way, its pretty much game over) also as I have said on here before, money for schools, poor teachers, run down school buildings, old text books: all excuses, most of our great, great grandparents taught themselves how to read in barns sleeping out by the cows and dogs, and if they were FORTUNATE to have schools, them shits were as big as outhouses...if a child wants to learn, they will learn. period.

2) M O R A L S - we have got to first stop CELEBRATING improper and immoral behaviors, and secondly nobody is ENFORCING proper morals in our community. notice i didnt say TEACH them, i said ENFORCE them; example - baby daddies get 0 flack in our community, in fact they are seen as just normal everyday mofoes, somebody posted the other day about a black girl who didnt know who her baby daddy was but was having a baby shower - that shouldnt be a time for celebration, that should be a time for RIDICULE AND PUNISHMENT, niggas ride around on rims and have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of shit on their cars and backs - and we KNOW that its because they selling drugs but we dont care!! and the kids look up to them..

3) BLACK HUSTLERS/FALSE LEADERSHIP - growing up black in america u are taught to be EXTREMELY fearful. sometimes black kids are told OUT RIGHT that this is a white mans world and you more than likely wont make it, but on average, this is more of an implied thing - this is why the black leadership business is thriving the way that it is. ever slowed down to wonder why the black community is getting worse and black leadership is getting more and more face time? getting WEALTHIER by the minute? so, its not that "white privelage" and racism is holding back black folks (particularly males), its the black leadership and the bullshit that black youth hear from folks that post on here!! imagine growing up black and AAAAAAAAAALLLLL you hear is "slavery, jim crowe, police beatings, cop shot black youth, slavery some more, jim crowe some more"...how do u expect black youth (who will one day become black ADULTS) to thrive in droves if most of them believe that they wont ever be shit or achieve shit outside of sports/gang banging/rapping?

>2) What is the most inhibiting of these?

- the non-existent black family AND the moral and social decaying of the black man.

>3) What can be done to fix it.

A) get rid of this new black leadership, not the physical embodiment of these folks, but the mentalities. it wont happen overnight but nor will a black "turnaround".

B) as much as muthafuckas hate jesse lee peterson, this man is all about bringing the black family back together - the lifestyle of the man bringing home the bacon along with his wife coming home to his kids and taking them to baseball practice and plays etc., isnt as cool as pulling up on the side of a bunch of hoes on the street in your escelade ridin on 22's looking to get some "cut up"...

there is more 2 this, but u get the idea...

  

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The definitive race post, used to enlighten white people: [View all] , Otto, Tue Jul-12-05 07:00 PM
 
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RE: The definitive race post, used to enlighten white people:
Jul 12th 2005
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Sigh all you want tek....you really aren't being fair
Jul 13th 2005
2
RE: Sigh all you want tek....you really aren't being fair
Jul 13th 2005
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Muy Interesante...
Jul 13th 2005
12
RE: Hi Otto,
Jul 13th 2005
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Okay man, take your time.
Jul 13th 2005
82
RE: Sigh all you want tek....you really aren't being fair
Jul 14th 2005
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      I thank you for your thoughtful response...
Jul 14th 2005
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           RE: Props,
Jul 14th 2005
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           RE: Props,
Jul 14th 2005
109
bartek
Jul 17th 2005
142
RE: The definitive race post, used to enlighten white people:
Jul 13th 2005
3
How do white people play into the break down of the family
Jul 13th 2005
5
      they don't
Jul 13th 2005
7
      As it stands now, this is how I see it, but!
Jul 13th 2005
9
           RE: As it stands now, this is how I see it, but!
Jul 13th 2005
13
                Difference between being rich and being wealthy
Jul 13th 2005
71
                     wealth wont solve our problems
Jul 13th 2005
72
                     See #74 nm
Jul 13th 2005
75
                     This part
Jul 13th 2005
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                          I understand all that
Jul 13th 2005
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                               RE: I understand all that
Jul 13th 2005
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                                    my point stands
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         Where's the wealth...
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         RE: Where's the wealth...
Jul 14th 2005
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                                              RE: Where's the wealth...
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                   and i'm saying
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                   Okay
Jul 14th 2005
98
                                                        then how do you explain
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                             Could it possibly be related to...
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                             No
Jul 14th 2005
112
                                                                  what are you calling "strong"?
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                             RE: then how do you explain
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                             they still have their culture.
Jul 15th 2005
127
                                                   But,
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                        What is the system?
Jul 14th 2005
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                                         RE: my point stands
Jul 19th 2005
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      Your sig, is very
Jul 13th 2005
8
Archives.
Jul 13th 2005
4
for some reason,
Jul 13th 2005
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      Clear your cache, delete your cookies. n/m
Jul 13th 2005
18
RE: first off let me say
Jul 13th 2005
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RE: first off let me say
Jul 13th 2005
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      I see your point. This is so different from say James Brown.
Jul 13th 2005
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      and this dude is a mod!?!?
Jul 13th 2005
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           No, I'm comparing the lyrics of one song to another.
Jul 13th 2005
27
                Firebrand,
Jul 13th 2005
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                Are you putting arguements in my mouth? When I make
Jul 13th 2005
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                     I am not putting words or arguments in your mouth...
Jul 13th 2005
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                          I was pointing out the ridiculous nature of The poster's
Jul 13th 2005
43
                               I agree....
Jul 13th 2005
46
                               those songs are not sexually perverted though
Jul 13th 2005
47
                                    slippery slope. n/m
Jul 13th 2005
51
                                         translation: I HAVE NO ARGUMENT
Jul 13th 2005
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                                              LOL!
Jul 13th 2005
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                                              Translation: I gotta run, but ...
Jul 13th 2005
59
                man u know those songs are mild
Jul 13th 2005
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                     They are mild using the cultural context of THAT DAY? shit.
Jul 13th 2005
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                          sex machine came out in 1970
Jul 13th 2005
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                               you would feel comfortable with your son or daughter
Jul 13th 2005
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                                    im done.
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         Fellas, what would you say if I asked that we got back on track?
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         That is just sick.
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         this!? coming from YOU!?!?
Jul 13th 2005
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                                              huh? are you posting red herrings again?
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                   i took practical reasoning a year ago
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                        I dunno, but that post I just responded too? that shit was
Jul 13th 2005
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                                         I see the point you are making suave, and I
Jul 13th 2005
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                                              Two years old and singing?
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                   The Bible.
Jul 13th 2005
                                                   cosign...
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                   *pumps brakes*
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                        Nothing is more universal than God!
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                             i don't wanna start this argument
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                                  God has a monopoly on truth...and there is only one TRUE path...
Jul 15th 2005
131
                                                                       ok.
Jul 15th 2005
132
                                                                       Do you mean
Jul 18th 2005
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                                                   Thanks man...I don't know about genius,
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                        I feel like clapping man,
Jul 13th 2005
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                                                        Can you adopt my family? lol n/m
Jul 13th 2005
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      These lyrics are appalling, and give
Jul 13th 2005
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           You can't be serious.
Jul 13th 2005
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           John Lee Hooker is ONE ARTIST....
Jul 13th 2005
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                If you don't know who John Lee Hooker is, stop commenting.
Jul 13th 2005
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                     No, I don't make anything of myself....
Jul 13th 2005
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                          The fuck are you talking about?
Jul 13th 2005
50
                               RE: The fuck are you talking about?
Jul 13th 2005
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           i dont know if u are being serious or not
Jul 13th 2005
26
                Yeah, but certainly not all black people
Jul 13th 2005
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                They think of women this way? I wonder why? what coud be
Jul 13th 2005
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                     Good questions.....
Jul 13th 2005
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                     And what do u feel has been the catalyst for such change?
Jul 13th 2005
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                     a falling away from
Jul 13th 2005
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                          This is a great point.
Jul 13th 2005
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                               Well,
Jul 13th 2005
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                                    RE: Well,
Jul 14th 2005
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                                         I totally disagree.There is no paragon
Jul 14th 2005
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                                              RE: I totally disagree.There is no paragon
Jul 14th 2005
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                                              You are closed minded about this,
Jul 14th 2005
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                                              RE: I totally disagree.There is no paragon
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                   very astute rebuttle, Shakeet
Jul 14th 2005
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                                                        no it wasn't.
Jul 15th 2005
129
                                                             Unless you follow your own statement:
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                                  huh???
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                                       i agree with this:
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                                       there's a lesson in this.
Jul 18th 2005
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                                              RE: I totally disagree.There is no paragon
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                   i agree....
Jul 15th 2005
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                                                        pffffff...
Jul 21st 2005
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                                                        pffffff...
Jul 21st 2005
147
                                                             Your definition of morality must then be
Jul 21st 2005
148
                     RE: Good questions.....
Jul 15th 2005
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                          Your response is incredibly pretentious.
Jul 15th 2005
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                               If he was indeed skeptical of love,
Jul 15th 2005
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                     like i said before
Jul 13th 2005
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                          The break down of the family for Africans certainly was the 70's
Jul 13th 2005
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                               Not according to Sunngold (forgive me if i spelled it wrong)
Jul 13th 2005
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                               see post #13
Jul 13th 2005
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                                    See the ARCHIVES. nm
Jul 13th 2005
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there is so much to say in response....it will take a long time
Jul 13th 2005
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LaLee's Kin
Jul 13th 2005
15
I saw that a couple years ago
Jul 13th 2005
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Not sad at all...
Jul 13th 2005
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      Wrong
Jul 14th 2005
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           Well
Jul 14th 2005
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There was a similar film
Jul 13th 2005
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      I've heard of it
Jul 13th 2005
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RE: The definitive race post, used to enlighten white people:
Jul 13th 2005
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nigga
Jul 13th 2005
20
RE: nigga
Jul 13th 2005
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      i try to keep it simple 4 the simple minded
Jul 13th 2005
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i agree.
Jul 15th 2005
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I feel like we haven't stayed on topic...n/m
Jul 13th 2005
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See #91
Jul 14th 2005
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darlin, you keep asking these broad, 400 yr old questions
Jul 15th 2005
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7 Reasons for Our Peoples' Insanity
Jul 14th 2005
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Is ANY of it our fault?
Jul 14th 2005
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Two questions:
Jul 14th 2005
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Most white folks know the truth however continue to live a lie
Jul 14th 2005
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And what is the truth?
Jul 14th 2005
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      Truth is race is a figment of the europeans imagination
Jul 14th 2005
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           How could race be created out of guilt?
Jul 14th 2005
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                it's a social construct.
Jul 15th 2005
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This post will go Nowhere
Jul 14th 2005
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what kind of reading have you done on the topic?
Jul 15th 2005
123
thank you. nm
Jul 15th 2005
134
Read the archives
Jul 16th 2005
140
...
Jul 17th 2005
141
RE: The definitive race post, used to enlighten white people:
Jun 14th 2008
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