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Chike
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63. "RE: Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?"
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Tue Jun-21-05 12:34 AM by Chike

  

          

>I don't even mean to be offensive in asking that.
>
>>You think celebrating a person's
>>life is wrong and that it deprives people of their
>>humaneness...
>
>Wrong. I just said there's no need to celebrate a person's
>life. Furthermore, I stated that it's the metamorphosis of
>people into symbols which deprives them of their humanenes
>(see Jesus Christ).

Had to add an anti-Christian dig in there, did you? How lovely. Malcolm is a symbol and there's no changing that. A mature view of him involves understanding the flesh and blood man with faults behind the symbol. I can assure you that neither Spike, LexM nor I eschew the mature view insofar as we have interest in Malcolm. And again, "one of our greatest lives" is not incompatible with understanding that every life is more than a symbol, it's a fault-ridden reality. Hope that's clear for you this time round.

>>I really wish to know what interesting
>>definition it is that you have of "life" and "celebration",
>>this definition that somehow makes "one of our greatest
>lives"
>>an inhumane description (!!!).
>
>First, it's an apotheosis - Malcolm the ‹bermensch. Second,
>your use of the possessive pronoun is tantamount to epistemic
>power. You cannot claim him or his life for "us".

"Greatest" in terms of his life's symbolic power, but I'm guessing this will bring you back to your difficulty of understanding how one can understand a life's symbolic power without thinking the symbolism is all there is to it. And part of his humanness is his agency, and Malcolm's acts - most especially his "speech acts" - hold a certain significance in their powerful effect within his life and after it. So his greatness as a symbol has a lot to do with his greatness as a person. Which, again, does not make him an ubermensch, Mr. Either-Or - insult my aptitude for my discipline all you want, I am not going to cede ground so as to be trapped in a silly binary where you either don't celebrate a person or reduce them completely to nothing but an "inhuman" symbol.

"our" = black folks. I think your reference to "epistemic power" is unintelligible unless all you mean is that you think I am overstepping (proper conceptual) bounds. But uh, sorry, since I self-identify as black, I take an interest in black lives that includes speaking from a first-person perspective, and I don't see that as overstepping any boundary. If you think I cannot "claim" a figure in black history, you are either attacking a straw man (am I saying I own other people's lives or something?) or wrong (as I said, if you can't understand the attachment black folks feel to Malcolm X, go study a while rather than argue with me).

  

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Telling OUR Epic stories... [View all] , Utamaroho, Tue Jun-14-05 07:14 PM
 
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RE: Telling OUR Epic stories...
Jun 14th 2005
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I wanna see "2000 Seasons" and "From Superman to Man"
Jun 14th 2005
2
Two of them: The Ethiopianism movement worldwide and
Jun 14th 2005
3
um
Jun 14th 2005
4
Y u always so damn negative. Smile.
Jun 14th 2005
5
films can be powerful
Jun 14th 2005
7
well
Jun 14th 2005
17
      you actin like you have a point
Jun 14th 2005
22
           i'm sooo sorry
Jun 15th 2005
31
                RE: i'm sooo sorry
Jun 19th 2005
45
                     no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
52
                          RE: no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
54
                               RE: no misunderstanding
Jun 20th 2005
57
                                    Don't take this wrong way (seriously)...
Jun 20th 2005
60
                                         Is Philosophy really the subject you wanna do your doctorate in?
Jun 21st 2005
61
                                             
pitiful undeveloped response.
Jun 14th 2005
9
      pitiful naive thread
Jun 15th 2005
32
           I have to assume you're the only naive one
Jun 20th 2005
53
                oh word?
Jun 20th 2005
58
                     RE: oh word?
Jun 20th 2005
59
                          RE: oh word?
Jun 21st 2005
62
                               RE: oh word?
Jun 21st 2005
64
                                    with all due respect
Jun 21st 2005
65
                                         Impress? No... inform? Yes
Jun 21st 2005
66
marcus garvey/unia
Jun 14th 2005
6
Fannie Lou Hamer and the MFDP
Jun 14th 2005
8
good one!
Jun 14th 2005
10
Paul Robeson
Jun 14th 2005
11
The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
12
RE: The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
13
RE: The Haitian Revolution
Jun 14th 2005
15
Danny Glover is working on this...
Jun 14th 2005
23
      word? Danny's the man!!
Jun 14th 2005
25
      really?
Jun 15th 2005
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      wow...good to know
Jun 15th 2005
28
      Word!
Jun 15th 2005
33
RE: Telling OUR Epic stories...
Jun 14th 2005
14
The story of Nzingha, Sunni Ali Ber the real Cleopatra story
Jun 14th 2005
18
Nzingha would be DOPE
Jun 15th 2005
29
      I forgot all about her yea her too
Jun 18th 2005
36
African-American Life After The Civil War
Jun 14th 2005
19
especially highlighting rutherford b. hayes scandal
Jun 14th 2005
20
      Exactly
Jun 14th 2005
21
a movie about Murtala Muhammed should be done.
Jun 14th 2005
24
I know of him as simply another Nigerian dictator
Jun 15th 2005
30
      you're the first person that i've ever met who calls him a dictator
Jun 19th 2005
43
           I know little about him
Jun 19th 2005
47
           here's a repost of something i wrote in another thread
Jun 19th 2005
49
                thanks!
Jun 20th 2005
56
           It's even possible that I was under the influence
Jun 19th 2005
48
                Fela mentioned him by name?
Jun 19th 2005
50
                     if so, very rarely
Jun 20th 2005
55
Anything dealing with the greatness of Pre-Columbian cultures
Jun 15th 2005
27
A movie dealing with Palenques, Maroons, Quilombos etc
Jun 18th 2005
34
Any epic movie concerning, war/revolts
Jun 18th 2005
35
the Yaa Assantewa story would be great...
Jun 18th 2005
37
True or how the Asante sold off 20,000 Fanti in one day
Jun 18th 2005
38
      Word man... n/m
Jun 18th 2005
39
Clarence 13X and the "First Born"
Jun 19th 2005
40
We've talked about a story for Father God Allah (Peace....
Jun 19th 2005
42
      i think, given his impact on the community,
Jun 21st 2005
67
We're looking to doing a film on the life of W.E.B. Dubouis
Jun 19th 2005
41
Word, that'd be dope. I'd like to see one on Garvey as well.
Jun 19th 2005
44
holla @ me if you need me
Jun 19th 2005
46
A few posters already mentioned Garvey & DuBios.
Jun 19th 2005
51
Sheikh Bamba from Senegal
Jun 23rd 2005
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