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72. "RE: I'm reading"
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> and Russell lost his hair in the process.
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at least we know he has a conscience. he and his brother seem like dialectical opposites.

i've got a question for you though. i've seen your work on your website, your background in art, and your link to style wars. i figure that you have some interest in graffiti and i was going to post this to see what people think, but i was more interested in what you have to say because it goes along the lines of this post and your background.
during this past semester i did an intense study of graffiti. i originally set out to study graffiti's use in marketing and the effects, but got so caught up in the history of graff, and its use as a communication tool (synthesized in this: http://www.graffiti.org/faq/artistic_constr_esposito.html, and this: http://www.graffiti.org/faq/esposito.html - please read when you have a few minutes - it'll give you an idea of where i'm coming from with all of this) and i realized that my original goal requires another semester of study.
As you probably know, Sprite, Nike, Reebok, ESPN, ABC, and many other MNC's use graff or graff-inspired imagery in their ads and they make tons of money off of images that continue to be considered illegal works of art. I believe that they owe the graff community something, and they can help to bridge the two sides of the graff argument - those who believe it should be considered legal, and those who fight to keep it illegal. it doesn't have to be a large promotional act, but it could be. something like building legal walls that are available to large amounts of artists, which can go a long way in the graff community. they could go as far as having a tour of legendary graff artists that paint at select sites. such a project could benefit MNC's too. it's a logical and ethical step in the right direction that would go under the heading of community relations, becoming a valuable non-taxable donation write-off. they've milked the graff community and left it dry - using social cues created by graffiti to sell their product - and when people get sick of their products, intrinsic ties have the potential to damage graff as well.
i guess i'm wondering if you think this is viable, and if you'd be willing to mindstorm with me for a second to think of other ways that MNC's can give back to such a non-nuclear community without further damaging its value-system.

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more on how marketers co-opt black culture... [View all] , PulpHustler, Sun May-29-05 12:30 AM
 
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can't..
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RE: love the liner note for missy elliot...
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      minority marketers and advertisers everywhere feel like they're getting ...
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dope article
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RE: dawg, I didn't know this was your book
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All I DO is shit on urban marketing goons.
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Just added your book to my wish list on Amazon
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could someone..
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Because Black folks are getting the shortest end
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RE: Because Black folks are getting the shortest end
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      RE: Because Black folks are getting the shortest end
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           RE: Because Black folks are getting the shortest end
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           Consumer is king?
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                RE: Consumer is king?
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                     RE: Consumer is king?
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                                              RE: Consumer is king?
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                                                   RE: Consumer is king?
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                                                        RE: Consumer is king?
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                                                             RE: Consumer is king?
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                                                                  RE: Consumer is king?
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           I agree
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it's another form of blameshifting
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i sorta got the vibe...
May 31st 2005
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exactly.
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Here's a site for you
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reality...somehow?!?
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nothing is wrong with it
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      RE: nothing is wrong with it
Jun 01st 2005
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           @ the end of the day though
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                RE: @ the end of the day though
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                RE: @ the end of the day though
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                seriously, u are in full "whining" mode right now
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                     RE: seriously, u are in full "whining" mode right now
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                     RE: seriously, u are in full "whining" mode right now
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                     RE: seriously, u are in full "whining" mode right now
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                you're right, black people wouldn't eat at McDonalds or drink Kool-Aid
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                     you are using terrible examples
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                          RE: you are using terrible examples
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                          who is"they"?
Jun 02nd 2005
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                               RE: who is"they"?
Jun 02nd 2005
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                                    so go respond to her
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                                    are you blind...
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                                         so why are you responding about it in me & suave's convo?
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                                    Nope
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                          no, *these* are terrible examples:
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                               RE: no, *these* are terrible examples:
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                                    RE: no, *these* are terrible examples:
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                                         RE: no, *these* are terrible examples:
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                                              RE: no, *these* are terrible examples:
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                it ain't my argument, but i can't bite my lip
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                     RE: it ain't my argument, but i can't bite my lip
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                     RE: it ain't my argument, but i can't bite my lip
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                          I'm reading
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                                    RE: I'm reading
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                                         RE: I'm reading
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                                              RE: I'm reading
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                     you should have just bit that lip.
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                          you're right....i should have
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                               Good one
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                               hopeless rant...
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                               RE: you're right....i should have
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RE: more on how marketers co-opt black culture...
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And there you have it.
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      My Two Cents...
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           Co-sign all of this.....
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           RE: My Two Cents...
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           Co-sign on the delegation of personal responsibility!
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