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12. "lol. Venezuela's oil was nationalized in 1976"
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Tue Dec-13-05 06:54 AM by speaker

  

          

That was under the Manuel Perez-Guerrero presidency, over twenty years before Chavez took office. Before 1976, Venezuelan oil was essentially under U.S. monopoly control. Under the rules of nationalization, the U.S. remains the biggest investor at 14.6% of foreign direct investment, closely followed by the Netherlands at 14.2% and then a long list of Latin American and Caribbean nations. Yes, Chavez has been making overtures to China and India, which he has every right to do. This may alarm the would-be monopolists in the U.S. energy sector (some of whom have offices on Pennsylvania avenue) who get a hard-on wherever there are oil wells, but they've hardly been "robbed". The notion that nationalization is "stealing" is nonsense anyway in the case of natural resources like oil, whose value on the world market far exceeds the capital necessary to build drilling and extraction facilities. We aren't talking about fucking soda pop. I mean, the CIA has backed dictatorial coups in Iran (1953) and Iraq (1963) after their leaders nationalized the oil, which had been owned by an Anglo-American oil condiminium, part of it directly invested in the British Treasury. Would the same be done of Fiji nationalized its coconut groves?


*edit* Also, about the notion that Chavez is cracking down on "freedom of speech" like some left-wing Joe McCarthy: the Venezuelan media is run by Henrique Otero, Gustave Cisnero and a handful of other right-wing moguls. They own all the TV channels and most of the newspapers, and their outlets all supported the failed coup against Chavez in 2002, which the population obviously opposed. Chavez continues to allow these outlets to broadcast in his country. So your argument is, to say the least, not very convincing.

  

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Bronx Warmly Receives Venezuelan Heating Oil [View all] , Brooklynbeef, Mon Dec-12-05 09:54 AM
 
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Chavez is The MAN
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that's some pretty inspiring shit
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Publicity
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      What do you know about the man to call him a tyrant?
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      To the Spanish white upper class...
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LMAO, oh this WILL be interesting indeed.
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I love this quote:
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stole my reply n/m
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We'll call it the peoples' reply then...
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      You know Bush will foment our overthrow, right?
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I thought those quotes were priceless. n/m
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Tru
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too bad he stole the oil...
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      RE: lol. Venezuela's oil was nationalized in 1976
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           Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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                Man, you are such a retard (LOL).
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                     RE: Man, you are such a retard (LOL).
Dec 15th 2005
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                          Please, keep this up so I can continue wiping the floor with you.
Dec 16th 2005
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                               i love when activists think they can do battle on the net lol
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                                    You call this a battle???
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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           Pinko, I agree with the general sentiment
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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                i saw a socialist gov (cuba) this summer- the US isn't close to that
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                What's the difference?
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                RE: What's the difference?
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                Corporations are ARTIFICIAL persons
Dec 16th 2005
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           uh, weren't u the one justifying the US seizing TX, CA, etc from Mexico?
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                RE: uh, weren't u the one justifying the US seizing TX, CA, etc from Mex...
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           great post, thanks
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           RE: Not only was the nationalization completely legal...
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                I'm saying...
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           Shit!
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Even if you don't agree with his policies(which is criminal if not)
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RE: Even if you don't agree with his policies(which is criminal if not)
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This is an excellent idea
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