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BarTek
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27. "RE: see -- this is problematic."
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Well, let me provide you with an example... I travel across North America, and I speak to high school kids about standing up for what they believe in. My partner and I speak about Sierra Leone, or the Apartheid in South Africa, and we make it very clear that corrupt, white politicians, have oppressed large groups of black folks. That is one example of how I use my white privelege. I don't ask white folks to reject their white privelege, I ask them to use it to fight against oppressive forces. As I mentioned, white folks can walk through certain doors that you have to fight your way through. Think of Che, what was he interested in? Independence and peace, correct? What was his method? Militant force... It would seem that he was a hypocrite, as he was standing up for peace, how could he possibly use militant force? Yet he did, and he has been embraced as a hero. I would certainly say that he had to use some of the force which he was trying to destroy. Many great thinkers conclude that force can be used to defeat oppression, as long as it's dismantled immediatley after.

You raise an interesting point about only wolves remaining. I am not saying I am a wolf, I am saying... I see, from the point of view of a white man, how white privelege is used in order to oppress groups of people. I see the formula, whether in media, social dynamic, politics, etc... Let us begin with media... it takes thousands of people to provide us with news and entertainment... If some of us can rise to a position of influence in the media, we can start to dismantle certain agents which threaten peace and equality. You cannot win this fight without money. So, many of us have to play the game, and many of us have to rise in the system, in order to take control of it. That is what I mean by, "in order to beat the wolf, you have to become the wolf..." Do you think anyone would allow me to walk through a door if I wore a t-shirt stating my true intentions. ha! Doubtful... I have to put on a nice shirt, a nice pair of pants, a nice smile, and meet and greet people which I am trying to educate or take power away from. I have to learn from them, I have to understand their true motives, so that I can search for a solution which would not inspire any violence.

If I am ever confronted by someone who has evil intentions... or wants to fight me... the first thing I do is ask for their name. Why? Well, if you are ever in that situation and are threatened, ask the person's name, and you will begin to dismantle their violent intent. You see, they are expecting you to resist or to fight back, and are prepared to use that energy to hurt you. If you answer them with an energy they do not expect, they become disarmed. It's as simple as asking for a name, and asking them how their day was. I have tried this before. Before I left, the man leaned in to my ear and said, "I would die for you...", he even showed me pictures of his son. Shrug... you cannot ask white people to get rid of their white privelege, you can only ask enlightened white folks to try to educate other white folks about the reality of white privelege. Asking a white person to rid themselves of white privelege, is for a white person, to lock themselves at home, skin themselves, and do nothing except sit at home. That is impossible. Simply having white skin entitles white people to more than you are entitled to. What do you expect white folks to do and say?

"No, I don't want this job because my skin is white, sorry, give the job to a black man..."
"Excuse me officer, you don't know, but I have a weapon on me. I look harmless and just like any other white citizen, but I am dangerous and could hurt someone."

Does that seem logical to you?

I would be interested to hear, a practical way for me to stop using my white privelege. It is not white privelege that is the problem, it is how it is used. Some people use white privelege, to inflict harm on others. Some use it to gain authority and control. However, there are those, and I have met hundred's of them, that use it to fight racism, oppression, inequality. It is our skin. You will never be able to have us reject it, as white people failed to influence black folks reject theirs. Did you simply accept that you were 1 5th of human beings? ofcourse not, that would be to reject your humanity, your very biological make up. How do you expect anyone else in this world to do that? It is not logical, and is much more philosophical and impractical than what I am suggesting.

Finally, I am putting my philosophy into practice almost everyday. I speak to kids, I make them aware. I ask them questions. I get puzzled looks, but always in the end, everyone walks away feeling as if they are empowered. Simply, because, they choose not to look at apperances, but look within. One of our activites is such as this, and if you have ever tried it, than you will understand it's power. Sit in front of someone you don't really know, and stare into their eyes for longer than it is comftorble. Skin colour becomes invisible. I could go on and on, but I just want you to be assured that practical methods are already being used, and if you find fault with them, please say so, and provide me with clear examples of how to reject white privelege.

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White liberal bigotry [View all] , Pinko_Panther, Sat Dec-03-05 08:20 AM
 
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quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
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RE: quick answer: no...
Dec 03rd 2005
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      get the fuck outta here...
Dec 06th 2005
48
It's a simple answer really
Dec 03rd 2005
3
*dead*
Dec 04th 2005
12
      haha...this is three agreements in one week!
Dec 04th 2005
17
           Three?! WOWZERS!
Dec 04th 2005
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                ok..maybe two...
Dec 04th 2005
22
Sorry Pinko, but this reads like little more than a cheap stunt
Dec 03rd 2005
4
Kind of agree
Dec 03rd 2005
5
Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
11
      RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
16
           RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
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                RE: Of course I'm trying to get support, how dense must you be?
Dec 04th 2005
21
iranian = aryan
Dec 03rd 2005
6
YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 03rd 2005
7
RE: YOU IRANIAN CRACKA!!
Dec 04th 2005
15
Yeah, Hitler got a lot of history wrong...
Dec 04th 2005
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RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
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      RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 04th 2005
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           RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
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                RE: iranian = aryan
Dec 05th 2005
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RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 03rd 2005
8
Sigh
Dec 03rd 2005
9
see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
10
Yep
Dec 04th 2005
13
I find it interesting, how you are so certain...
Dec 04th 2005
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      ???
Dec 04th 2005
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           RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
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                RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
42
                     RE: ???
Dec 05th 2005
45
                          Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
46
                               RE: Cop out
Dec 06th 2005
47
                                    So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
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                                         RE: So the English weren't colonialists?
Dec 06th 2005
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                                         RE: I read #44
Dec 06th 2005
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                                              This sounds very familiar
Dec 06th 2005
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                                                   Ouch...
Dec 06th 2005
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                                                   RE: Wow...
Dec 07th 2005
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                                         what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   Ah.
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   Wait...
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   Me neither
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                              RE: what do English/liberal colonialists have to do with BarTek?
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   You are missing the point
Dec 09th 2005
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                                              She likes to assume that all whites are the same...
Dec 07th 2005
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                                                   Nope
Dec 09th 2005
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RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
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      RE: see -- this is problematic.
Dec 04th 2005
25
     
           your own words, once again.
Dec 06th 2005
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                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 07th 2005
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                RE: your own words, once again.
Dec 14th 2005
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      word choice, Tek...
Dec 04th 2005
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           RE: word choice, Tek...
Dec 05th 2005
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YEP, I KNEW YOU WERE AN IDIOT!!!
Dec 23rd 2005
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      Your mom's an idiot...
Dec 23rd 2005
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           *pats you on the back*....ahhhh, him feelin's hurt
Dec 23rd 2005
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                Lol, you have some serious mental issues homie...
Dec 23rd 2005
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.
Dec 04th 2005
26
Pinko, I find it quite funny and revealing that...
Dec 04th 2005
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Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 04th 2005
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      RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
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           RE: Obviously, you are not aware that I am done with addressing you
Dec 05th 2005
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           that just might be the dumbest arguement I've seen in a while. n/m
Dec 05th 2005
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                Not to mention the fact that I inboxed him...
Dec 05th 2005
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                RE: Yet, you fail to provide any substance...
Dec 06th 2005
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Point of clarification about my southern white woman comment...
Dec 05th 2005
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shit like this is honestly why white people shouldn't even
Dec 05th 2005
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we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 05th 2005
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RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 06th 2005
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lol
Dec 06th 2005
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RE: we whites need to STEP THE FUCK BACK
Dec 06th 2005
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I love how you alternate...
Dec 06th 2005
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LOL
Dec 06th 2005
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what disgusts me
Dec 06th 2005
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      Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
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      RE: Get yourself more aquianted with the matter...
Dec 06th 2005
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           Telling coloured folks how to conduct themselves racially...
Dec 06th 2005
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                taking issue with ANYONE stereotyping ANYONE is not bigotry
Dec 06th 2005
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      If it was a one time thing, we could talk
Dec 06th 2005
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           Tell me about it!
Dec 06th 2005
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           ah, well...
Dec 06th 2005
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           but in no way is he being a bigot. that's what i'm taking issue with.
Dec 06th 2005
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           ???
Dec 06th 2005
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                RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
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                     RE: ???
Dec 07th 2005
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                          regardless of how you want to spin it, the title of the post points out
Dec 07th 2005
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           You failed to address my response to you...
Dec 07th 2005
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Bawhahahahaha! Ouch! *laughs so hard my cigar fell out of my mouth*
Dec 07th 2005
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hahahahahahahaha
Dec 07th 2005
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RE: That's it?
Dec 07th 2005
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if THAT isn't proof of penis riding, than felacio is a myth
Dec 07th 2005
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Say WORD.
Dec 23rd 2005
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      Do y'all talk to your girl the same way you talk to your boys?
Dec 23rd 2005
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and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 06th 2005
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      I could kiss you on the mouth(c) Iverson
Dec 06th 2005
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      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
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      RE: and at its heart, this whole argument is racist.
Dec 07th 2005
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           See, I may be a racist (I'm not, but for arguments sake)
Dec 07th 2005
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                RE: Before you talk to me...
Dec 07th 2005
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yep.
Dec 06th 2005
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what about liberal heteronormativity?
Dec 07th 2005
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Would you like to expound?
Dec 07th 2005
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*wins post 100*
Dec 07th 2005
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RE: White liberal bigotry
Dec 08th 2005
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HOLY SHIT!
Dec 13th 2005
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T.O. is EVIL!
Dec 13th 2005
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McNabb is SOFT!!!
Dec 13th 2005
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Ummm
Dec 14th 2005
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Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 14th 2005
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RE: Nettrice, football is here to HELP us. Not HINDER us.
Dec 16th 2005
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Wow, please explain urself/ur colleague. I've never heard some shit lik...
Dec 23rd 2005
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100% CO-SIGN! you illustrated my feelings EXACTLY lol.
Dec 23rd 2005
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