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"the feminine divine"
Thu Aug-04-05 02:59 PM by LexM

  

          

what does this mean to you?

with all the discussion of religion/spirituality lately, i wanted to bring something to the table that's rarely mentioned in our fussin' and fightin': the role of goddess and priestess--both in the ancient world & the modern.

i'm particularly interested in the views of women who adhere to patriarchial religions (islam, judeo-christian). imo, the reason why we have some of these imbalances today is because we have forgotten the feminine divine.

you have the father, son, and (imo, purposely ambiguous) holy ghost...but no mention of the mother/female principle. where do you fit in?

(catholicism is a pseudo-special case...but that's another post altogether)

allah appears a little more gender-neutral, but you wouldn't know it from the dynamics of most of the islamic communities i've been privy to.

here's some food for thought to get you going:

~short summaries of various goddesses: http://www.lunaea.com/goddess/contents.html

~thoughts on feminine divinity: http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Brockway4.html

~definition of the triple goddess (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess)

Goddesses or demi-goddesses appear in sets of three in a number of ancient European pagan mythologies; these include the Greek Erinyes (Furies) and Moirae (Fates); the Norse Norns (Fates); Brighid and her two sisters, also called Brighid, from Irish or Keltoi mythology, and so on. One might also see the three witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth as following this pattern. Robert Graves popularised the triad of "Maiden" (or "Virgin"), "Mother" and "Crone", and while this idea did not rest on sound scholarship, his poetic inspiration has gained a tenacious hold. Considerable variation in the precise conceptions of these figures exists, as typically occurs in Neopaganism and indeed in pagan religions in general. Some choose to interpret them as three stages in a woman's life, separated by menarche and menopause. Others find this too biologically based and rigid, and prefer a freer interpretation, with the Maiden as birth (independent, self-centred, seeking), the Mother as giving birth (interrelated, compassionate nurturing, creating), and the Crone as death and renewal (wholistic, remote, unknowable) and all three erotic and wise. Often three of the four phases of the moon (waxing, full, waning) symbolise the three aspects of the Triple Goddess: put together they appear in a single symbol comprising a circle flanked by two mirrored crescents. Some, however, find the triple incomplete, and prefer to add a fourth aspect. This might be a "Dark Goddess" or "Wisewoman", perhaps as suggested by the missing dark of the moon in the symbolism above, or it might be a specifically erotic goddess standing for a phase of life between Maiden (Virgin) and Mother, or a Warrior between Mother and Crone. There is a male counterpart of this in the English poem "The Parlement of the Thre Ages".

The Triple Goddess as Maiden, Mother and Crone has also reached modern popular culture, such as Neil Gaiman's own conception of the Furies in The Sandman, and elsewhere.

~ma'at http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/maat.htm

~nut and geb (aka..."father" earth and "mother" sky)
http://www.egyptianmyths.net/geb.htm

~ameratsu, japanese sun goddess--that's her on the flag.
http://www.lyricalworks.com/stories/amaterasu/amaterasu1.htm

and countless, countless others.

let's big up the ORIGINAL mother of us all, hmm?

  

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the feminine divine [View all] , LexM, Thu Aug-04-05 02:32 PM
 
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2 of my favorites....
Aug 04th 2005
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This is not correct.
Aug 04th 2005
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thanks for that...i didn't read the whole descrip
Aug 11th 2005
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i think it depends on who you're asking...
Aug 22nd 2005
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      What about Olu/Olodumare (Allah)?
Aug 22nd 2005
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      RE: What about Olu/Olodumare (Allah)?
Aug 23rd 2005
85
           i think that's one of the most concise explanations
Aug 23rd 2005
86
           *curtsey*...i'm fo the people
Aug 23rd 2005
87
           How is this different from Vedic philosophy (pantheism)?
Aug 23rd 2005
89
                in my understanding
Aug 24th 2005
93
                totemism...n/m
Aug 25th 2005
95
           What if to me the Supreme Being is Man?
Aug 23rd 2005
88
                i'd say cool...rock that on out homie...
Aug 23rd 2005
91
                     I think it's Peace that we agree that YOU are a "force of nature....."
Aug 23rd 2005
92
                     *chuckle* wrd. peace
Aug 25th 2005
96
                     I like this!
Oct 04th 2005
110
      I apologize
Oct 04th 2005
111
Wow
Aug 04th 2005
58
Cosign!
Aug 10th 2005
70
more on Yemoja...
Aug 29th 2005
100
      recommended reading...
Aug 29th 2005
101
           oh yeah
Aug 30th 2005
102
mami wata
Aug 04th 2005
2
oya, mother of change
Aug 04th 2005
3
RE: oya, mother of change
Aug 04th 2005
35
      i need to find my "parents"
Aug 04th 2005
48
           RE: i need to find my "parents"
Aug 04th 2005
52
changing woman/estsanatlehi
Aug 04th 2005
4
brigid
Aug 04th 2005
5
pele, hawaiian volcano goddess
Aug 04th 2005
6
kali
Aug 04th 2005
7
Keep these coming
Aug 04th 2005
47
sarasvati
Aug 04th 2005
8
I don't agree with this/them, but they have a good forum here
Aug 04th 2005
9
well, as i'm sure you know
Aug 04th 2005
10
      the "Holy Koran" or "Bible" was written by the Original Man
Aug 04th 2005
11
           that may be
Aug 04th 2005
12
                What I am saying is that there is nothing wrong with Patriarchy
Aug 04th 2005
15
                     ok
Aug 04th 2005
23
                     is there anything wrong with Matriarchy in your beleifs?
Aug 04th 2005
25
                     Matriarchy over an ENTIRE society is wrong to me
Aug 04th 2005
29
                          hmm...i beleive in matriarchy and patriarchy
Aug 04th 2005
31
                          well so is patriarchy
Aug 04th 2005
34
                          to me there needs to be a STRONG and RATIONAL Patriarchy
Aug 04th 2005
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                               RE: to me there needs to be a STRONG and RATIONAL Patriarchy
Aug 04th 2005
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                               yep, getting ready for your feedback
Aug 04th 2005
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                                    No,
Aug 04th 2005
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                                         that's what i'm saying
Aug 10th 2005
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                               that's fine
Aug 04th 2005
44
                          Okay, so
Aug 04th 2005
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                     There is nothing wrong w/ Matriarchy, either-n/m
Aug 04th 2005
38
Definitely, to this...
Aug 04th 2005
13
What if, in fact, Allah is a Man, or "Man himself"?
Aug 04th 2005
14
112
Aug 04th 2005
16
To me all that means is the Father and Sun are One
Aug 04th 2005
19
      are you trying to discuss it from *within* an Islamic/Quranic context
Aug 04th 2005
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           I am not using the Muslim view of Allah
Aug 04th 2005
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also
Aug 04th 2005
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      I already know it's un Islamic, but muslims sure be advocating it`
Aug 04th 2005
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           *shrug*
Aug 04th 2005
well a lot of christians
Aug 04th 2005
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      RE: well a lot of christians
Aug 04th 2005
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           i can get with that
Aug 04th 2005
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                RE: i can get with that
Aug 04th 2005
49
do U B going to the Yoruba festivals up there in B'more?
Aug 04th 2005
17
i haven't heard of any
Aug 04th 2005
24
      check your inbox
Aug 04th 2005
26
      Where are you located?
Aug 04th 2005
30
      baltimore city
Aug 04th 2005
36
           RE: baltimore city
Aug 04th 2005
37
                lol...he told me to email u
Aug 04th 2005
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                     RE: lol...he told me to email u
Aug 04th 2005
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      RE: i haven't heard of any
Aug 05th 2005
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a recommendation for you
Aug 04th 2005
33
sorry, wrong link
Aug 04th 2005
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*bookmarks that too*
Aug 04th 2005
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*bookmarks page*
Aug 04th 2005
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      a better book than wadud's
Aug 04th 2005
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Auset
Aug 04th 2005
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how could i forget her....
Aug 10th 2005
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      You should
Aug 10th 2005
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Lilith
Aug 04th 2005
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RE: Lilith
Aug 05th 2005
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loverly
Aug 06th 2005
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that's what's up
Aug 10th 2005
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So, um
Aug 10th 2005
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another favorite: kundalini
Aug 10th 2005
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Yes!
Aug 10th 2005
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Shakti
Aug 10th 2005
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What Happen to the feminine role call?
Aug 11th 2005
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Osumare --
Aug 11th 2005
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RE: Osumare --
Aug 12th 2005
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Sekemet --
Aug 13th 2005
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RE: Osumare --
Aug 15th 2005
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      RE: Osumare --
Aug 23rd 2005
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           that is dope.
Aug 24th 2005
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           Are they both related?
Aug 29th 2005
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RE: the feminine divine
Aug 12th 2005
75
actually
Aug 15th 2005
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      RE: actually
Aug 17th 2005
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I'm gonna show my ignorance here
Aug 13th 2005
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it's all good
Aug 15th 2005
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      yeah.
Aug 17th 2005
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i thought you would find this interesting
Aug 25th 2005
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Creativity and the Goddess...
Aug 29th 2005
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the erotic as power....audre lorde
Aug 30th 2005
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another great book:
Aug 31st 2005
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word up!!!...
Aug 31st 2005
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i'm reading it now
Sep 16th 2005
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yeah i know, right?
Sep 16th 2005
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Y'all 'bout
Oct 04th 2005
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      i'm about to buy this joint for my s.o.
Oct 04th 2005
113
           No,
Oct 04th 2005
114
                i feel you
Oct 05th 2005
116
^
Sep 15th 2005
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just posted this in GD
Sep 16th 2005
109
Good stuff.
Oct 05th 2005
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      kinda sorta
Oct 05th 2005
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Zap Mama-Ancestry in Progress Tour
Oct 04th 2005
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^^^^if she comes your way, go check her out
Oct 05th 2005
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      Zap mama is the GROUP
Oct 05th 2005
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