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jackie chiles
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56. "The problem"
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Tue Nov-04-03 05:56 AM

  

          

is with Israel itself and the fact that its foundation is based upon forcibly removing people from land.

Israel was given a great deal of license to use force by the Allies after WWII and used the fact that arabs, having been subjects of European colonialism in that region, could not resist the large influx of European jews into the area.

There was an old Zionist slogan:

"A land without people for a people without a land"

That was used to garner support for a Jewish state.

This of course, was not true of Palestine, as there were 500,000 people living there when the State of Israel was formed.

Oops.

THE VERY INSTANT Palestinians were "encouraged" to leave lands that they had been living on (usually peacefully alongside the indigenous Jewish population) to make way for incoming settlers, Israeli jews lost any and all moral high ground that they may have had.

It is also telling that Uganda, the Congo and Cyprus were considered alongside Palestine as potential places for a Jewish homeland. The fact that these places all had indigenous populations bothered the Zionist forefathers not one bit. (see Liberia for a parallel amongst the descendents of slaves)

For certain, Jews needed to be safe, but the western powers used that burning need amongst Jews to create the trap known as Israel.

A trap?

Yes. None of the allied powers wanted to provide Jews with refuge in their own countries nor were they willing to provide security for indigenous European Jewish communities.

Europe wanted them out, and America certainly was anti-semitic enough to consider its existing population of Jews as "more than enough".

So they paved the way for them to go into the current deathtrap. Fueled by religious and nationalist zeal, a Jewish state in Palestine became the ONLY acceptable solution for Zionists.

Thinking that they would do to arabs what the United States did to Native Americans, Israeli leadership (distinct from the diverse views of its people) sees force as the answer to all of its security problems.

What they do not realize is that there is no answer. The arab world will not rest until Israel is either destroyed or no longer able to enforce its will on neighboring states.

What Israeli leadership is desperately trying to prevent from happening is in fact, inevitable.

Someone with interests inimical to those of Israel WILL obtain a weapon of mass destruction and WILL use it on a large population center. (Don't go long in any real estate in Tel Aviv.)

This could have all been prevented had the Allied powers:

1. Been commited to providing security for all European Jews within Europe itself. Remember, they controlled ALL of Western Europe. Of course they didn't like Jews either. The self-imposed exile proposed by the Zionists didn't sound too bad to them.

2. Found a piece of land that was actually unoccpied and formed a Jewish state there. There are several large US states that are underutilized with plenty of natural resources.

The current solution is unworkable and it is only a matter of time before someone commits an atrocity of unthinkable scope in Israel.

It's a damn shame.

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Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey. [View all] , nyc_rootsfan, Mon Nov-03-03 07:52 AM
 
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Was it "anti-semitism" when...
Nov 03rd 2003
1
No. It was France and Britain
Nov 03rd 2003
3
      yeah but it was the same
Nov 03rd 2003
30
           Because of the guilt
Nov 04th 2003
44
                Give me a fucking break...
Nov 04th 2003
71
                     RE: Give me a fucking break...
Nov 04th 2003
73
                          exactly
Nov 04th 2003
79
                          who's arguing?
Nov 04th 2003
84
                          RE: Give me a fucking break...
Nov 04th 2003
85
                               2 things
Nov 05th 2003
100
                                    RE: 2 things
Nov 05th 2003
104
                                         hard to take you seriously when you say shit
Nov 06th 2003
105
                                              RE: hard to take you seriously when you say shit
Nov 06th 2003
106
                                                   please expound on something for us
Nov 09th 2003
108
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 03rd 2003
2
You're not an anti-Semite
Nov 03rd 2003
4
      RE: You're not an anti-Semite
Nov 03rd 2003
5
      RE: You're not an anti-Semite
Nov 03rd 2003
9
           RE: You're not an anti-Semite
Nov 03rd 2003
15
                And THERE'S the racist comment
Nov 03rd 2003
21
                     because as we know
Nov 03rd 2003
23
                     I have to agree
Nov 04th 2003
45
                     RE: And THERE'S the racist comment
Nov 03rd 2003
24
                          Then say it clearer.
Nov 03rd 2003
25
      Semites aren't just Jews though
Nov 03rd 2003
8
      Let me make myself clear:
Nov 03rd 2003
10
           I'm not pulling your card, I'm just saying
Nov 03rd 2003
13
                word...
Nov 03rd 2003
20
      RE: You're not an anti-Semite
Nov 03rd 2003
12
           Tell me Marcus Garvey's
Nov 03rd 2003
17
                RE: Tell me Marcus Garvey's
Nov 03rd 2003
26
                     interesting take on Zionism pinko
Nov 03rd 2003
31
                     RE: interesting take on Zionism pinko
Nov 03rd 2003
33
                     That's 'Hell froze Over' pt 2
Nov 03rd 2003
35
                          RE: That's 'Hell froze Over' pt 2
Nov 03rd 2003
38
                     RE: Tell me Marcus Garvey's
Nov 03rd 2003
43
                          To be honest
Nov 04th 2003
46
                               yes they did
Nov 04th 2003
80
                                    Im so pleased that someone said this
Nov 05th 2003
90
And am I the only one
Nov 03rd 2003
6
RE: And am I the only one
Nov 03rd 2003
7
      RE: And am I the only one
Nov 03rd 2003
11
      RE: And am I the only one
Nov 03rd 2003
14
      Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
16
      RE: Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
18
           RE: Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
19
           RE: Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
22
                RE: Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
29
                     RE: Wow.
Nov 03rd 2003
32
                     GTFOHWBS
Nov 03rd 2003
36
                          RE: GTFOHWBS
Nov 03rd 2003
39
                               GTFOHWBS PT 2
Nov 04th 2003
72
                               RE: GTFOHWBS PT 2
Nov 04th 2003
88
                               RE: GTFOHWBS
Nov 04th 2003
81
                     Iran with Sunni Muslims
Nov 04th 2003
49
           No, you dont
Nov 04th 2003
48
      Now you are talking about Jews
Nov 04th 2003
47
lmao
Nov 03rd 2003
27
RE: lmao
Nov 03rd 2003
28
Have you been watching the news recently?
Nov 04th 2003
50
Then look at the threats from sovereign countries
Nov 04th 2003
51
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 03rd 2003
34
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 03rd 2003
37
to be honest here ....
Nov 03rd 2003
40
Both sides are wrong.
Nov 04th 2003
52
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 03rd 2003
41
Lets go back to the cold war
Nov 04th 2003
53
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 03rd 2003
42
Thankyou
Nov 04th 2003
54
      RE: Thankyou
Nov 04th 2003
55
           RE: Thankyou
Nov 04th 2003
57
                Arab-Jewish relations
Nov 04th 2003
78
                     Semi-BS
Nov 04th 2003
83
                          RE: Semi-BS
Nov 04th 2003
86
                          And that was...
Nov 05th 2003
93
                               RE: And that was...
Nov 05th 2003
98
                          RE: Semi-BS
Nov 04th 2003
87
                               I think that's an idalistic
Nov 05th 2003
103
The only place they would have had to
Nov 04th 2003
58
RE: The only place they would have had to
Nov 04th 2003
59
      RE: The only place they would have had to
Nov 04th 2003
60
           How do you buy land that people are already living on?
Nov 04th 2003
61
           You didnt see them suicide bombin the
Nov 04th 2003
62
           RE: You didnt see them suicide bombin the
Nov 04th 2003
63
                Im talking about guerilla warfare
Nov 05th 2003
91
                     Before Israel was founded
Nov 05th 2003
94
                          RE: Before Israel was founded
Nov 05th 2003
95
                               Look
Nov 05th 2003
96
           RE: How do you buy land that people are already living
Nov 05th 2003
101
           RE: The only place they would have had to
Nov 04th 2003
75
                He's missing the point.
Nov 04th 2003
77
                RE: The only place they would have had to
Nov 05th 2003
89
                Either the Arabs owned all of it
Nov 05th 2003
92
                     RE: Either the Arabs owned all of it
Nov 05th 2003
99
all of that might have been relevant
Nov 04th 2003
82
      whatever man.
Nov 05th 2003
97
wow.
Nov 04th 2003
64
what a surprise
Nov 04th 2003
65
      ask yourself that question.
Nov 04th 2003
66
           Says the stalwart defender
Nov 04th 2003
67
                RE: Says the stalwart defender
Nov 04th 2003
68
                     Oh the irony.
Nov 04th 2003
69
                          RE: Oh the irony.
Nov 04th 2003
70
                               double wow.
Nov 04th 2003
74
                               RE: your links
Nov 04th 2003
76
up
Nov 05th 2003
102
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 08th 2003
107
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 10th 2003
109
RE: Truth hurts for Israel..EU Survey.
Nov 10th 2003
110

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