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zewari
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"the tsunami tragedy nobody talks about"


  

          


it has been standard practice for western nations to dump their garbage and toxic waste in Africa and in the middle of the Indian Ocean. the tsunami's worst impact was in Somalia for this very reason... as all the crap they dumped in the Indian Ocean saturated the Somali coastline and polluted the region's groundwater resources.

now people are dying en masse from mysterious illnesses and infections caused by these pollutants

any of ya'll ever read that famous internal memo by the World Bank's former chief economist? this is the bullshit we gotta mobilize for. this memo illustrates the calculated lunacy of western geopolitics.

DATE: December 12, 1991
TO: Distribution
FR: Lawrence H. Summers
Subject: GEP

'Dirty' Industries: Just between you and me, shouldn't the World Bank be encouraging MORE migration of the dirty industries to the LDCs ? I can think of three reasons:

1) The measurements of the costs of health impairing pollution depends on the foregone earnings from increased morbidity and mortality. From this point of view a given amount of health impairing pollution should be done in the country with the lowest cost, which will be the country with the lowest wages. I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.

2) The costs of pollution are likely to be non-linear as the initial increments of pollution probably have very low cost. I've always though that under-populated countries in Africa are vastly UNDER-polluted, their air quality is probably vastly inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles or Mexico City. Only the lamentable facts that so much pollution is generated by non-tradable industries (transport, electrical generation) and that the unit transport costs of solid waste are so high prevent world welfare enhancing trade in air pollution and waste.

3) The demand for a clean environment for aesthetic and health reasons is likely to have very high income elasticity. The concern over an agent that causes a one in a million change in the odds of prostrate cancer is obviously going to be much higher in a country where people survive to get prostrate cancer than in a country where under 5 mortality is is 200 per thousand. Also, much of the concern over industrial atmosphere discharge is about visibility impairing particulates. These discharges may have very little direct health impact. Clearly trade in goods that embody aesthetic pollution concerns could be welfare enhancing. While production is mobile the consumption of pretty air is a non-tradable.

The problem with the arguments against all of these proposals for more pollution in LDCs (intrinsic rights to certain goods, moral reasons, social concerns, lack of adequate markets, etc.) could be turned around and used more or less effectively against every Bank proposal for liberalization.


«SiG»
“Stand out firmly for Justice as witness before God, even against yourselves, against your kin and against your parents, against people who are rich or poor. Do not follow your inclinations or desires lest you deviate from Justice."
-Qur’an 4:135

  

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the tsunami tragedy nobody talks about [View all] , zewari, Mon Apr-11-05 06:50 PM
 
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RE: the tsunami tragedy nobody talks about
Apr 11th 2005
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the above isn't even the complete memo...
Apr 11th 2005
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RE: the tsunami tragedy nobody talks about
Apr 11th 2005
2
Lol nice
Apr 11th 2005
3
there's nothing bogus about it. do your research
Apr 11th 2005
4
co sign
Apr 11th 2005
5
And what the hell are you co-signing about?
Apr 11th 2005
8
      so basically
Apr 12th 2005
14
           Poor mentality is a problem, but it is not I who is suffering...
Apr 12th 2005
15
                so basically u arent providing any proof
Apr 12th 2005
16
                     No because somebody isn't interested in the truth...
Apr 12th 2005
18
                          dude. seriously...
Apr 12th 2005
19
RE: the tsunami tragedy nobody talks about
Apr 11th 2005
7
prove it
Apr 12th 2005
22
      did you somehow miss all the posts below??
Apr 12th 2005
23
      RE: did you somehow miss all the posts below??
Apr 12th 2005
24
           why are you ostriching so hard?
Apr 12th 2005
27
                please...
Apr 12th 2005
28
                     do you go to college? ask ANY ECONOMICS PROFESSOR.
Apr 12th 2005
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                          RE: do you go to college? ask ANY ECONOMICS PROFESSOR.
Apr 12th 2005
31
      Fox, your proctocologist called and said he found your head...
Apr 12th 2005
29
           he said it was "sarcastic"
Apr 13th 2005
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                I'll give him one thing...
Apr 13th 2005
39
                     Notwithstanding the memo
Apr 13th 2005
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what's so fake about that memo ?
Apr 12th 2005
11
source?
Apr 11th 2005
9
for the memo or what's happening in somalia?
Apr 12th 2005
10
      I meant the memo, but that's been done, so Somalia?
Apr 12th 2005
35
           colleagues in somalia
Apr 12th 2005
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Here's the link
Apr 12th 2005
12
LMAO!!
Apr 12th 2005
13
Robert Rector: There is a liberal myth that poverty is bad for children.
Apr 12th 2005
26
The Summers shit is true
Apr 14th 2005
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RE: Here's the link
Apr 12th 2005
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      RE: Here's the link
Apr 12th 2005
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           The Nation
Apr 12th 2005
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                Meticulous research!
Apr 12th 2005
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RE: Respect for posting this
Apr 12th 2005
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who wants to bet...
Apr 12th 2005
33
*PG-13 edit*
Apr 12th 2005
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      Oh yeah, absolutely no reason!!
Apr 12th 2005
37
           *autographs post*
Apr 14th 2005
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                Yup, still dense...
Apr 14th 2005
45
                     this is why our mod deletes so many responses
Apr 14th 2005
46
                          Bullshit
Apr 14th 2005
48
a wave is a movement of energy, not liquid
Apr 13th 2005
41
yeah, basic physics kind of messes this up
Apr 14th 2005
43
      not all pollutants are dissolved solids
Apr 14th 2005
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