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Mica
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25. "Right"
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Thu Mar-17-05 08:50 AM by Mica

          

>>Now, if you agree with the idea that had the Africans not
>been
>>so willing to sell (by the by I should say that the reason
>>they were so willing was because they didn't look at it as
>>selling their fellow brother or sister, but as selling
>>neighbors and people they didn't know) then would you agree
>>with the idea that parts of Africa should be held
>responsible
>>for the atrocity that is slavery in America?
>
>hmmm depends on what you consider the crime.
>Is it the middle passage ?
>Is it the act of selling ?
>Is it the conditions Slaves in America lived under for 400
>years ?

(Edit: I had a much longer response typed out and went to post it and an error message came up, hence I lost it all. I retyped what I remembered so hopefully it is coherent)

I consider all those to be 'the crime' but I thought those were always thought of as such.

Like, if I had to percentage it, I'd say Americans and Europeans are responsible for 90% of the whole slave trade and subsquent slavery beause they continued to opress people from the moment the ships left various African ports until when slavery ended.

I mean, I just know that people sometimes say that African slavery wasn't as bad as American and European slavery and that is SO TRUE, so I'm not trying to debate that. I just wonder how that argumnet holds up if someone were to say, "Yes, but did the Africans think that the Europeans were just going to treat the slaves like the Africans did?" If they did, then does that absolve them of their crime? If not, then what? I mean if that's the case, does it matter? Isn't the act of selling them any bad enough?

Then one could rightfully wonder if perhaps the Europeans lied to the Africans and said that they would be treated humanely. I mean, is that how they got them to sell? If that's the case then that would open an interesting box....

So going back to the percentage thing, then I would say that Africans are like 10% responsible for what happened and even though that is a small number, and the Middle Passage, the selling of slaves that went on for years in the States and the conditions that were so deplorable for 400 years totally outweighed, you could say, however bad it was that the Africans *just* sold them, I still wonder if one could hold them responsible for their part of the deal.

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Responsiblity and the Slave Trade [View all] , Mica, Wed Mar-16-05 03:53 PM
 
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RE: Responsiblity and the Slave Trade
Mar 16th 2005
1
not to mention that slavery in Arika was much different
Mar 16th 2005
2
I dunno. I think that Afrika was indeed wealthy.
Mar 16th 2005
3
RE: Responsiblity and the Slave Trade
Mar 16th 2005
4
Oversimplify much?
Mar 16th 2005
7
ain't he ur buddy
Mar 16th 2005
19
?
Mar 17th 2005
24
RE: Oversimplify much?
Mar 17th 2005
27
haha..u funny mayne......
Mar 16th 2005
8
u must be a saltine
Mar 18th 2005
31
thoughts
Mar 16th 2005
5
exactly. the definition of slavery is in question here.
Mar 16th 2005
9
African people and leaders are responsible for many problems
Mar 16th 2005
6
dude...you are mis-informed
Mar 16th 2005
10
      how is he mis-informed ?
Mar 16th 2005
11
           RE: how is he mis-informed ?
Mar 16th 2005
12
                ? huh?
Mar 16th 2005
13
                like this:
Mar 16th 2005
14
                They didn't do business with cultural groups on the interior of
Mar 16th 2005
15
                The oldest map of the interior of West Africa is like 1860s
Mar 16th 2005
17
If you traveled to the adult-porn store and...
Mar 16th 2005
16
To Devil's Advocate you, if you say that no one is selling if no one
Mar 16th 2005
18
      check reply 4
Mar 16th 2005
20
2 Questions.
Mar 16th 2005
21
With military technology, yes. That's all I can think of.
Mar 17th 2005
23
      Gun Boats didn't come around til 19th century
Mar 17th 2005
30
i'm mad this was unanswered:
Mar 17th 2005
22
      hmmmm
Mar 17th 2005
26
Question: Anyone know any estimates on how many were sold
Mar 17th 2005
28
read malcolm x on african-ameriacn history...
Mar 18th 2005
32
Former slave traders own words
Mar 17th 2005
29
RE: Responsiblity and the Slave Trade
Mar 18th 2005
33
Africa had no written records?
Mar 18th 2005
34
RE: Responsiblity and the Slave Trade
Mar 21st 2005
35
Totally was fun.
Mar 21st 2005
36

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