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66. "RE: not exactly"
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>The biggest problem I have with this is that the banishment of
>further slave states from the Union wouldn't necessarily lead
>to the abolition of slavery. My thing is that even people in
>the North had slaves, so slavery wouldn't be much of an issue
>there.
>As for the free states vs. slave states, that was more
>political than anything else. You're absolutely right, the
>South would be at a political disadvantage. But not because of
>that (or not only). It was moreso that the Northern population
>was also growing, and the South wanted balance in the House of
>Representatives. And with more people up North, there wasn't
>much the South could do to balance out the House.

Well if only free states were allowed into the Union, along with the growing population in the North, the south was afraid that eventually they would be at such a disadvantage wrt representation that the free states could pass abolition laws in Congress and there would be nothing politically the south could do about it. So when Lincoln stood firm on not allowing slave states into the union they saw that as a threat to slavery in the south, so that's why they decided to secede.

>Don't get me wrong, there were people in the North that though
>slavery was an abomination and should be abolished and
>rightfully so. But they weren't the majority of people in the
>North, and wasn't enough to convince the government that it
>was worth alienating half the country over. It wasn't that
>much of an issue to the North.

The majority of people in the north were still racists, but they didn't like slavery either, but yeah they were willing to let slavery in the south continue as long as the Union was maintained. So yeah most northerners weren't righteous crusaders on a mission to end the evil of slavery; they didn't particularly care *why* the south seceded, but once they did northerners saw them as traitors regardless.

>And don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-slavery and I know the
>evils of it. I don't think that it was the cause of the
>Southern secession (which was more politically driven than
>anything else) and slavery wasn't as big of an issue.

I know you're not pro-slavery, but I just don't see how people can still argue that it wasn't about slavery, that it was "politically driven", when the political issue that drove it was slavery.

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Was the South justified in it's actions to secede from the union? [View all] , foxnesn, Fri Mar-11-05 07:19 AM
 
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RE: Was the South justified in it's actions to secede from the union?
Mar 10th 2005
1
are you talking legally or morally?
Mar 10th 2005
2
both
Mar 10th 2005
5
      legal issues you can argue I guess
Mar 10th 2005
14
           RE: legal issues you can argue I guess
Mar 11th 2005
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                RE: legal issues you can argue I guess
Mar 11th 2005
51
Of course they had the right to break away from the North
Mar 10th 2005
3
RE: Of course they had the right to break away from the North
Mar 10th 2005
6
US spreading democracy is bs like the Roman
Mar 10th 2005
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Slavery wasn't really...
Mar 11th 2005
24
      As compared to Industrialization of course not
Mar 11th 2005
55
yeah
Mar 10th 2005
4
I wish America would have split and let those states go
Mar 10th 2005
8
ha
Mar 10th 2005
9
exactly them idiots would be North Mexico
Mar 10th 2005
11
I wish you would STFU with that shit.
Mar 10th 2005
10
      All it's brought us?? what grits and the klu klux klan?
Mar 10th 2005
12
      The Ku Klux Klan has never had more members in the
Mar 10th 2005
15
      Don't forget most black people have DEEP roots in the South
Mar 11th 2005
28
           don't assume.
Mar 11th 2005
30
                I didn't... I said likely
Mar 11th 2005
31
                     That MAY have been the best thing for them
Mar 13th 2005
63
      RE: I wish you would STFU with that shit.
Mar 11th 2005
36
           I know of more black millionaires from Missippi that anyplace
Mar 14th 2005
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                RE: I know of more black millionaires from Missippi that anyplace
Mar 16th 2005
75
Legally, 'twas okay.
Mar 10th 2005
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RE: Legally, 'twas okay.
Mar 11th 2005
22
      ah so!
Mar 11th 2005
52
Considering the fact that slaver was basically an add on issue...
Mar 10th 2005
17
"ADD ON" issue?? you sound so brainwashed right now
Mar 11th 2005
25
Again, bring your facts.
Mar 11th 2005
33
Slavery was never an "add on issue".
Mar 11th 2005
40
      It was for the north.
Mar 11th 2005
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I Think So
Mar 11th 2005
18
it was never about slaves?
Mar 11th 2005
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      Cosign.
Mar 11th 2005
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      Yep
Mar 11th 2005
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      Let's Clear This up
Mar 11th 2005
46
           See #47
Mar 11th 2005
49
      Revisonist history, it's so scray and sad to hear blacks
Mar 11th 2005
26
      Bring your facts.
Mar 11th 2005
29
      It was never about the morality of slavery
Mar 11th 2005
34
           That's Exactly What I'm Saying
Mar 11th 2005
45
                not exactly
Mar 11th 2005
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                     RE: not exactly
Mar 13th 2005
59
                         
I'm not gonna...
Mar 11th 2005
27
Yep... plus the Southern states was starting to autonomously
Mar 11th 2005
32
Just like...
Mar 11th 2005
35
Wrong.
Mar 11th 2005
38
      What of colonization?
Mar 14th 2005
68
yes the North could.
Mar 11th 2005
39
      But...
Mar 14th 2005
67
Absolutely not.
Mar 11th 2005
37
so...
Mar 11th 2005
41
Very Well said
Mar 11th 2005
43
i can't believe i actually agree with you
Mar 11th 2005
44
lol, cosign n/m
Mar 11th 2005
47
There you have it
Mar 11th 2005
48
he sonned all of y'all
Mar 11th 2005
53
He makes a valid point I never take that away from n e one
Mar 13th 2005
61
      Agreed n/m
Mar 13th 2005
65
Damn, you just broke it down.
Mar 11th 2005
54
*Cracks open two cold ones*
Mar 12th 2005
56
RE: Absolutely not.
Mar 12th 2005
57
I'm noticing...
Mar 13th 2005
64
I Disagree
Mar 13th 2005
58
      Wrong.
Mar 13th 2005
60
           What I think most people choose to forget blacks were not
Mar 13th 2005
62
so what were you trying to say with THIS:
Mar 14th 2005
69
RE: so what were you trying to say with THIS:
Mar 14th 2005
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RE: so what were you trying to say with THIS:
Mar 14th 2005
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      RE: so what were you trying to say with THIS:
Mar 15th 2005
74
see post #52
Mar 14th 2005
72
who here wears cotton?
Mar 16th 2005
76
it's some in my draws right now, so what?
Mar 16th 2005
77

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