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24. "obviously it's a federal constitution"
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so obviously the feds have jurisdiction if they choose to exercise it. but at the heart of the Republican Party's (false) conception of itself is that they're the party that follows a narrow, originalist view of the Constitution and hence shows tremendous restraint in using Constitutional language and provisions to thwart state action. don't pretend the democratic party hasn't tried to use similar constitutional language in the past for their pet causes only to have Republicans scream that states should have significant leeway in their behavior, in defining what the Constitution means. civil rights are an obvious example.

this isn't neccessarily to criticize Republicans. politics is the art of the possible. a group or party defines their goals and then seeks to further them in whatever arena most benefits them. neither the Right nor the Left, Republican or Democrat, will allow principled stands on federalism to keep them from looking wherever they can to advance their interests. what should have gone out the window years ago and what has to go out the window after this saga is any notion of the Republicans as a states rights party. this doesn't mean they don't prize other things, like the right to life. it doesn't mean they're craven opportunists. it just means that on the federalism score (and on judicial activism, but that's a separate topic and i'm tired) they're no better than the Democrats. there is no party that stands for state power. to the extent that state power is preserved, it's preserved by state governments fighitng the Feds.

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What happened to real Republicans? [View all] , AnnieOakley, Tue Mar-22-05 05:09 PM
 
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On the Daily Show last night...
Mar 22nd 2005
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That bit had me dying.
Mar 22nd 2005
2
It's why I intially left the party.
Mar 22nd 2005
3
states' rights never trump individual rights.
Mar 22nd 2005
4
LOL!
Mar 22nd 2005
5
Huh? | Something I need clearing up...
Mar 22nd 2005
6
I was addressing the Schiavo points.
Mar 22nd 2005
7
      Do you know how the current system works?
Mar 22nd 2005
8
      yes.
Mar 22nd 2005
9
           Oh. I was like- the heck hapm?
Mar 22nd 2005
12
                not if it matures.
Mar 22nd 2005
13
      Private Accounts don't solve the revenue shortfall
Mar 23rd 2005
31
Nice tautology, homie.
Mar 22nd 2005
10
!
Mar 22nd 2005
11
try again.
Mar 22nd 2005
14
      Okay.
Mar 22nd 2005
15
who defines individual rights, though?
Mar 22nd 2005
16
      The Constitution does.
Mar 22nd 2005
18
           there's been due process out the wazoo on this case
Mar 22nd 2005
21
           state level, yes. Feds, no.
Mar 22nd 2005
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                huh?
Mar 23rd 2005
25
                     RE: huh?
Mar 23rd 2005
30
pat buchannan
Mar 22nd 2005
17
Buchanan was never a Republican.
Mar 22nd 2005
19
      exactly. Is he even a registered Republican now?
Mar 22nd 2005
20
      Last I checked, he was Reform.
Mar 23rd 2005
23
      his beliefs
Mar 23rd 2005
26
           The left wing?
Mar 23rd 2005
29
I'm a real Republican
Mar 23rd 2005
27
OH SHIT! where YOU been? you mad, why u mad?
Mar 23rd 2005
28
and just as quickly as shwin re-emerged. shwin disappears
Mar 24th 2005
32
I really see no difference between the parties anymore
Mar 24th 2005
33
they became the Bush Administration
Apr 22nd 2005
34

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