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19. "then we both agree."
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Fri Apr-01-05 01:16 PM by suave_bro

          

- that the industry really is not at fault for the downfall of the conscious MC...our moderator spoke on these things in broad general terms, i simply broke them down.

>1) Cool hunts

>--The recording industry looked for the next big thing and
>found these local artists selling thousands of independent
>records.

- uhmmm...exactly. and if gospel music was the hot shit in the streets selling thousands, gangster/thug rap would be gone 2morrow. which is what i stated.

>2) Agenda Sets

>--The recording industry decides that it will put its money
>behind Master P and not, say, Crooked Lettaz. And because the
>industry has a multi-billion dollar marketing machine, it can
>set what it thinks is "cool."

- that directly contradicts what was stated above (though u are puting YOUR words to somebody elses list i will leave that up 2 you two)...the industry capitalizes on what is ALREADY cool in the streets. which is what i described.

>3) Is responsible for market saturation
>"and they signed them!!"
>--Signed them and dozens of other copycat acts in hopes of
>making the same big payday that they did with those first
>artists.

- hopes? as a result of this the hip hop industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. the people have spoken, not the industry. the industry cant pay itself billions of dollars and sell out concerts across the country...



>"EXCELLENT. BUSINESS. MOVE." -- What is good for business
>isn't necessarily what's good for an artform or a community.

- which goes directly with what i stated earlier: if we can openly admit that the industry/media/white guys in suits are actually the ones raising our children and determines the direction in which the black community goes, then the industry will have no choice than to adhere to our demands, which is that we want more "conscious" emcees and positive songs on the airways and more positive images in our videos...anybody care to admit this to the world?

bottom line is that the industry is simply doing its job. its like getting mad @ best buy for carrying 50 cent's CD. if we are going to mad @ anybody it should be the artists and the consumers. i think deep rooted issue that is TRULY at work here is the mentallities and attitudes within our community that has created an environment where A) negroes feel 100% comfortable getting in a booth and glorifying black death and destruction, calling our women bitches and hoes and B) when the bulk of the black community craves it. we need to stop using the music industry as a scapegoat.

  

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Hip Hop Mourns the Death of MC Conscious [View all] , minps, Fri Apr-01-05 10:41 AM
 
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As always Minister Scott, great post!
Apr 01st 2005
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RE: As always Minister Scott, great post!
Apr 01st 2005
2
How do we reclaim the music?
Apr 01st 2005
3
RE: How do we reclaim the music?
Apr 01st 2005
5
I believe this is where we get snagged
Apr 03rd 2005
26
simple.
Apr 01st 2005
7
Straw man.
Apr 01st 2005
8
Denial
Apr 01st 2005
13
I don't...
Apr 03rd 2005
25
great aspirations Firebrand, but...
Apr 03rd 2005
24
RE: How do we reclaim the music?
Apr 09th 2005
55
blame the industry much?
Apr 01st 2005
4
At what point do you accuse an industry that
Apr 01st 2005
6
      i still dont think u get it
Apr 01st 2005
9
           funny how your attempted refutation actually proved his point. lmao
Apr 01st 2005
14
                ?
Apr 01st 2005
15
                     Here's how:
Apr 01st 2005
17
                         
                               oh, i don't think you two are very far apart at all.
Apr 01st 2005
20
                                    I found that odd as well.
Apr 01st 2005
21
                                    no (again).
Apr 05th 2005
34
                                         How about...
Apr 05th 2005
40
                                              so in other words black people are inferior
Apr 05th 2005
41
                                                   Urrrgghh........
Apr 06th 2005
42
                                                   The short of it.
Apr 06th 2005
43
noone esle has anything to say? wow.
Apr 01st 2005
16
I talked to Chuck and PE about this same issue. (my sig refelcts it)
Apr 01st 2005
18
Everthing is in cycles
Apr 01st 2005
22
I wanna hear sumin new too.
Apr 02nd 2005
23
      does anyone think this is bigger?
Apr 03rd 2005
27
Really dope usage of the Nas song quotes
Apr 04th 2005
28
i REALLY like this point:
Apr 04th 2005
29
Is it too early to mourn, is it too late to ride (c) Kweli
Apr 04th 2005
30
Will hop heads ACCEPT Hip Hop influenced academics?
Apr 04th 2005
31
      I think so, if they are not seen as living a different reality....
Apr 05th 2005
37
           I'm hearing him. I know my brother, and cousins hear him.
Apr 05th 2005
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                RE: I'm hearing him. I know my brother, and cousins hear him.
Apr 06th 2005
44
                     I think that people forget about educated Rural
Apr 06th 2005
45
                          I'm not being divisive at all...
Apr 07th 2005
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                               True, but it's rural and suburban hip hop heads too...
Apr 07th 2005
51
                                    I feel you...
Apr 07th 2005
54
i'm trying to be conscious...
Apr 05th 2005
32
we need to mourn the death of the consciousness within us.
Apr 05th 2005
33
I think the key here is that there is a new gerneration of
Apr 05th 2005
35
Good reply...
Apr 05th 2005
36
      Exactly. You can see that when people talk about
Apr 05th 2005
38
I'll tell you the DAY conscious Hip-Hop started to die:
Apr 06th 2005
46
But that same day there were a million other songs out
Apr 06th 2005
48
      I have a theory...
Apr 07th 2005
53
Rawkus records never birthed any consciousness
Apr 06th 2005
47
they had jailbirds on they team. of course not.
Apr 06th 2005
49
RE: Rawkus records never birthed any consciousness
Apr 07th 2005
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