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17. "RE: what about young artists?"
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>say an artist like a chingy or lil zane who could really use
>that extra $$$? i dont really see 50 or snoop needing to do
>this unless they are just greedy.
>
>and all of u up here debating and philosphizing about
>violence, corporate greed and capitolism are waisting your
>time. 99% of the cats in the rap game now are there to make
>$$$ and lots of it. its not about the message, the love of the
>music, the culture, its about getting rich and getting famous
>now. most of these artists are writing rhymes with $$$$ on
>their mind so this "deal" is right up their alley...

Duke, isn't that the whole point of discussing capitalism and the effects of corporate greed on different aspects of society. As the hip-hop has become more commodified and capitalised over the past ten years or so, we have seen a growing attitude of materialism among hip-hop artists. Particularly regarding what is chosen for purposes of marketing and what kind of hip-hop does not get funded only to rot by the wayside. Capitalism works as a process just like anything else and its effects sometimes take years to manifest as the market reshapes and molds whatever enters its realm. Three years ago you used to hear debates about "what happened to the hip hop purists?", while today that question is rarely relevant even on okayplayer. The market, and capitalists who run the market, are completely responsible for this. You know, in pre-capitalist times, you would rarely find debates of why art has changed so much and so quickly. Because before there was a market system in place, art was determined by the artists rather than by potential profits. Sure there were controversies over art such as the aristocracies anger towards artists who threatened their values, but the art itself belonged to the artist, not some invisible market space.

  

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McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop. [View all] , tohunga, Tue Mar-29-05 06:08 AM
 
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RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
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well, you can be arrested for violence
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: well, you can be arrested for violence
Mar 29th 2005
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           yeah, excellent book
Mar 29th 2005
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                We used to watch Channel 1
Mar 29th 2005
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It's this greed, the want of these material objects that
Mar 29th 2005
5
RE: It's this greed, the want of these material objects that
Mar 29th 2005
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      i'd call it more like the "pro-society" sense
Mar 29th 2005
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      not so much as anti-capitalist as pro life.
Mar 29th 2005
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           RE: not so much as anti-capitalist as pro life.
Mar 29th 2005
10
Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
9
RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
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           Bear v Shark
Mar 29th 2005
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                RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 29th 2005
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                     RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 29th 2005
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                          RE: Bear v Shark
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                               RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 29th 2005
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                                    RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 29th 2005
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                                    RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 30th 2005
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                                         RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 30th 2005
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                                         RE: Bear v Shark
Mar 30th 2005
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      RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
13
           New Ager on Board
Mar 29th 2005
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           RE: New Ager on Board
Mar 31st 2005
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                I am not arguing with you
Mar 31st 2005
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           RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
28
what about young artists?
Mar 29th 2005
14
your argument would be valid
Mar 29th 2005
21
      Jesse Jackson's actions don't mean spit to me...
Mar 29th 2005
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'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: 'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
Mar 29th 2005
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      no, it's nothing to do with McD's, per se
Mar 29th 2005
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      There is a difference between an artist and an entertainer.
Mar 29th 2005
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      The "I'm a Hustla" routine is the fad right now
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: 'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
Mar 29th 2005
29
We corporatize everything
Mar 29th 2005
19
Very much agreed! FINALLY!
Mar 29th 2005
20
RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
Mar 29th 2005
31
what impact do you feel this would have? n/m
Mar 29th 2005
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RE: what impact do you feel this would have? n/m
Mar 29th 2005
40
      Good
Mar 29th 2005
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RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
Mar 29th 2005
37
Hit 'em in the pockets
Mar 29th 2005
39
another article on it
Mar 29th 2005
42
+ some more shite marketing stuff.
Mar 30th 2005
45

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