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13. "RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?"
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>Red alert!! Commie on board.

>Only joking. I believe there is a valid distinction between
>capitalism (good) and the monopoly stage of capitalism (bad)
>in which we live. The latter has ushered in consumerism and
>its effects upon identity.

No need to apologize, I am a self asserted communist. Honestly, and as well intentioned as that particular view of capitalism is, I don't believe in the existence of two types of capitalism. Sure capitalism goes through stages of growth and accumulation but the realization of monopoly capital is a logical point of progression that the system has arrived at. Its all a product of competition and ceaseless growth as a result of the latter. Now we all know that in a finite world ceaseless growth is not possible and sooner or later, whether one likes capitalism or not, it must collapse. I will stop here because this could be a several hundred page doctoral thesis if I really went into depth with it.


>I would contend that all which exists is linguistic in nature.
>Is it possible for individuals to understand the physical
>world outside the its meaning as defined by the language we
>use? For example, without the connoted meaning imported by
>language, a diamond becomes no more than shiny stone..

AHH! Multiplicity of colour narritive alert!!! Postmodernist on board!!! Actually, that's not to alerting, the pomos are everywhere these days to my dismay. But enough of my polemic, on to your question of language. I have one simple question. Can you imagine language developed outside of material existence? In other words, without a physical world for our senses to experience, is there any possibility of language? Marx used a useful example to convey this. He stated that the word "fruit" is an abstract concept to describe the world of oranges, apples, bananas, etc. There is nothing physical about the word "fruit" itself. One cannot touch, smell, or taste "fruit" in the abstract sense, on can only perform these actions on the particular things that the word "fruit" describes. Thus without, first, the existence of things we call apples, oranges, and bananas, there is no need for the linguistic invention of the word "fruit". Thus, we first experience the material world and then invent language to describe what our senses have experienced. The same goes for your example of a diamond. Without the existence of a shiny stone (which themselves are words used to describe something that exists materially before we even have the language to describe it) we cannot have the word, the concept, "diamond" in the first place.

  

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McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop. [View all] , tohunga, Tue Mar-29-05 06:08 AM
 
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RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
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well, you can be arrested for violence
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      RE: well, you can be arrested for violence
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           yeah, excellent book
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                We used to watch Channel 1
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It's this greed, the want of these material objects that
Mar 29th 2005
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RE: It's this greed, the want of these material objects that
Mar 29th 2005
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      i'd call it more like the "pro-society" sense
Mar 29th 2005
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      not so much as anti-capitalist as pro life.
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           RE: not so much as anti-capitalist as pro life.
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Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
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RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
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      RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
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      RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
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           Bear v Shark
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                RE: Bear v Shark
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                     RE: Bear v Shark
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                          RE: Bear v Shark
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                               RE: Bear v Shark
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                                    RE: Bear v Shark
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                                    RE: Bear v Shark
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                                         RE: Bear v Shark
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                                         RE: Bear v Shark
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           New Ager on Board
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           RE: New Ager on Board
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                I am not arguing with you
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           RE: Isn't materialism at the root of violence?
Mar 29th 2005
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what about young artists?
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RE: what about young artists?
Mar 29th 2005
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your argument would be valid
Mar 29th 2005
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      Jesse Jackson's actions don't mean spit to me...
Mar 29th 2005
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'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: 'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
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      no, it's nothing to do with McD's, per se
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      There is a difference between an artist and an entertainer.
Mar 29th 2005
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      The "I'm a Hustla" routine is the fad right now
Mar 29th 2005
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      RE: 'artist' is different to 'advertiser'
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We corporatize everything
Mar 29th 2005
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Very much agreed! FINALLY!
Mar 29th 2005
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RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
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what impact do you feel this would have? n/m
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RE: what impact do you feel this would have? n/m
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      Good
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RE: McRap; the further corporatization of hip-hop.
Mar 29th 2005
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Hit 'em in the pockets
Mar 29th 2005
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another article on it
Mar 29th 2005
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+ some more shite marketing stuff.
Mar 30th 2005
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