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61. "RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam"
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>>Bin Laden might win in an election in Saudi Arabia right
>now
>>because everyone has been educated at schools taught by
>>Clerics who teach the extremist forms of Islam.
>
>Where did you get THIS information?

www.cbsnews/stories/2002/09/06/60minutes/main521056.shtml

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/interviews/ahmed.html

After a two minute google search.

> The great
>>thing about democracy is it leads to freedom of ideas
>
>Explain how this is possible in democracy, and not in other
>models. Application might be one thing, but you specifically
>stated that democracy led to IDEAS.

Well I showed have said a democracy ideally leads to the freedom to seek out knowledge. It is not possible if you are ruled by an authoritarian regime (or any regime) that controls information. Democracy does not work if it is controling information thus leading to knowledge thus leading to IDEAS. I realize that this is in theory and it does not always work quite as well as we would like. That being said it works better than not having a choice.

>>That sort of freedom of ideas leads to a broadening of the
>>mind probably driving more people away from the type of
>Islam
>>that is leads to the blowing up of buildings.
>
>no, on the contrary that sort of freedom funds the CIA to
>create madrasses that teach militant brands of Islam to fight
>proxy wars the world over, and when their students/student's
>causes are abandoned they blow up buildings like they were
>trained by America to do.

My point does not deal with how the government in charge operates (in particular how it is corrupt). My point deals with the freedom for everyday people to live their life according to how they wish.
>
> If everyone in
>>America was forced to be taught by the fundamentalist
>>Christians and the only book we were allowed to read was the
>>Bible (or an off shout of writings praising the Bible's
>>teachings) most people would probably be voting Pat
>Robertson
>>for President.
>
>Pat Robertson isn't that far a stretch from George Bush Jr.
No arguements here on that one.
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The West and its ideological war with Islam [View all] , KID22, Thu Mar-17-05 04:06 PM
 
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I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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and how do you do that?
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RE: and how do you do that?
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RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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      RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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      RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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           RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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           true
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           RE: true
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                Ok
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           RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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                RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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           RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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      RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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      RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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           RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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           Friend, huh? About as much as China is. We have a
Mar 17th 2005
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                RE: Friend, huh? About as much as China is. We have a
Mar 17th 2005
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                RE: Friend, huh? About as much as China is. We have a
Mar 21st 2005
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           RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
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                RE: I wouldn't call it The West vs. Islam
Mar 18th 2005
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      Have you been reading Friedman?
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           RE: Have you been reading Friedman?
Mar 17th 2005
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                How bout leaving a sovereign people ALONE?
Mar 17th 2005
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                     RE: How bout leaving a sovereign people ALONE?
Mar 17th 2005
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                     One man's terroist is another's freedom fighter.
Mar 17th 2005
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                          RE: One man's terroist is another's freedom fighter.
Mar 18th 2005
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                               I'd be happy if something happened to ya dad...Dubya
Mar 18th 2005
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                               No, you misunderstand ME.
Mar 21st 2005
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                     RE: How bout leaving a sovereign people ALONE?
Mar 21st 2005
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We!?!?
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lol
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technology??
Mar 17th 2005
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PREACH, Ahki! Brilliant.
Mar 17th 2005
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I've been to UAE several times it aint all fish gravey trust
Mar 17th 2005
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RE: technology??
Mar 17th 2005
25
Damm Son..you be saying some dumb shit
Mar 17th 2005
14
      Wsup with that hostile tone? U mad?
Mar 17th 2005
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      I's mad
Mar 17th 2005
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      RE: Damm Son..you be saying some dumb shit
Mar 17th 2005
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           OK Rummy....turn off Foxnews for a sec
Mar 17th 2005
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           You gonna let him win like that? damn. challenge him!
Mar 17th 2005
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                when he used dubya Rhetoric...i lost
Mar 17th 2005
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                     No, we all lost when you decided you lost.
Mar 17th 2005
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                          I've had the same arguement with Foxmess...
Mar 17th 2005
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                               excuses.
Mar 17th 2005
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                                    ok...I have lost in my arguement..I concede victory
Mar 17th 2005
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           RE: Damm Son..you be saying some dumb shit
Mar 17th 2005
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                RE: Damm Son..you be saying some dumb shit
Mar 18th 2005
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                     You win the award for dumbest motherfucker alive
Mar 18th 2005
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                          namecalling? lets keep this at an 11th grade level, at least
Mar 18th 2005
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                               all your posts prove u need to take a middle eastern history class
Mar 18th 2005
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                               RE: all your posts prove u need to take a middle eastern history class
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                                    RE: all your posts prove u need to take a middle eastern history class
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                                         thanks for the lesson
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                                              RE: thanks for the lesson
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                                                   There's a war going on
Mar 18th 2005
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                                                        That has to be the worst reply ever.
Mar 18th 2005
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                               On this part:
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                                    RE: On this part:
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                                         RE: On this part:
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