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33. "RE: No dude, I'M SORRY..."
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Look, man, I'm sorry if I offended you. If you wanna think his discoveries are important, fundamental, world-changing, go ahead. I came here to argue about Descartes, not Oyibo.

>Einstein was considered a crackpot in his day, so were
>Copernicus and Newton.

No, they were not. Newton was the most respected academic in the world. Some of Copernicus's work was persecuted, but not by the academic community (which didn't really exist at the time), rather by the church. Einstein was never considered anything close to a crackpot. He was unknown at first, but he was really the opposite of a crackpot. He was very much involved with tthe academic community. He studied the work of Maxwell and Lorentz in complete detail. He built the special theory of relativity on the firm foundation supplied by their work. That's how "revolutionary" ideas become real science, by not actually being as revolutionary as they look.

>SO, that statement doesn;t concern
>me in the slightest...What does concern me is your eagerness
>to discredit and dispute the claim without thoroughly
>researching before you speak. And for you to be in the
>scientific field, knowing the importance of empirical
>evidence, how can you look on one website and trash the
>man's accomplishments like that?
>1) You said his Ph.D is in fluid dynamics, but in actuality
>he has his Ph. D. in Aeronautics and Mathematics from
>Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) Troy, New York where
>he worked for four (4) years on NASA/AFOSR sponsored
>research. (some crackpot, huh?)

Aerodynamics is a subfield of fluid dynamics. The fluid, by the way, is air. And when he's doing fluid dynamics (such as aerodynamics), I'm perfectly willing to think of him as a scientist. When he pretends to have a "Theory of Everything," he becomes a crackpot.

If his PhD is in aerodynamics from RPI, then chances are, he never even took a course in quantum field theory. Or in string theory. Or in advanced general relativity. Or in canonical quantum gravity. How could he solve the most fundamental problem in science if he doesn't even know what it is?!

>2) You said he hasn't written any books, and I showed them
>to you. (on AMAZON, there are 7)

It's easy to write a book. Anyone can publish a book, especially if he personally pays for the publication. It's more difficult to publish a paper in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Then, one's ideas must first be judged by people WHO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM. That's the publication list that matters, and that one is tiny. And as regards fundamental physics, the list is nonexistant.

>3) You said that he has never proven the Navier-Stokes
>equation,

Actually I didn't say that. It wouldn't have made any sense. Equations are just equations, they cannot be proven or disproven. They can be SOLVED, and I probably did say that he has not found a general solution. I stand by that statement.

>and I showed you where Harvard's Clay School of
>Mathematics publicly recognizes his work.

No, you didn't, you directed me to the page of Oyibo's "home institution" (fitting description, since it's run out of his house), where HE mentions the CMI. If you go to the Clay Institute's website, www.claymath.org , you can search for his name. You will come up with nothing. A few months ago, a possible proof of the Poincare conjecture appeared. That was huge news. They reported it on the network nightly news shows. You claim there is a general solution of the NS equations out there, something much easier to check than a proof of the Poincare conjecture, yet the CMI doesn't even seem to have heard of it.

>4) You said that only one school recognized him and invited
>him to speak, I showed you 5.

No, those schools did not invite him to speak. According to Oyibo, a petition was circulated. That's easy to do, and was likely done by Oyibo himself. Again according to Oyibo, that petition gained 2000 signatures. Even if that number is accurate, it represents only a tiny cross section of the combined student populations of the 5 schools. The fact that 2000 students, spread across 5 universities, can be convinced to put a (possibly fake) signature on a petition as they are harangued in-between classes, is not surprising.

>5) You said he is unwilling to discuss GAGUT publicly,
>however between his many books and the interviews and
>transcripts found on his website, that is again, FALSE

So where can I go to find a MATHEMATICAL discussion (or even just a statement!) of his "theorem"? I've looked all over the OFAPPIT website, and come up with nothing. I've checked all the physics journals and e-print archives, and come up with nothing.

Do I go to one of his books? You're right that a few are listed on Amazon, but most are out of print. The rest are essentially out of print, with a 3 week wait for shipping, presumably that's how long it takes to print them out on Oyibo's home deskjet printer.

But even if I was willing to waste my money on one of his books, I'd have no guarantee that he would finally get to the point even there! Again, books are not peer-reviewed. New results are not presented in books.

>Maybe you should research his work for real then get back to
>me.

And maybe you should learn a little physics before you start arguing about its "holy grail."

  

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Descartes proof for the existence of God, [View all] , thoughtremedy, Mon Jan-24-05 04:29 PM
 
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RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
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RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 26th 2005
13
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 26th 2005
22
      RE: excuse me but,
Jan 26th 2005
24
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 27th 2005
37
      I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 27th 2005
43
      RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 29th 2005
44
      dude, you need to read some Camus posthaste
Jan 29th 2005
55
      Camus and Sartre...
Jan 31st 2005
65
           understood n/m
Jan 31st 2005
68
      RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 31st 2005
61
           RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 31st 2005
66
                RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Feb 01st 2005
69
                     RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Feb 05th 2005
73
                          What the hell?!
Feb 05th 2005
74
                               RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
75
                                    RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
76
                                         Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 06th 2005
78
                                         RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 07th 2005
81
                                              RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 16th 2005
91
                                                   RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 16th 2005
92
                                                        How am I "cryptic"?
Feb 16th 2005
93
                                                             Postmodernism = Bullshit,
Feb 16th 2005
94
                                                                  these guys ain't postmodernists
Feb 16th 2005
95
                                                                       RE: these guys ain't postmodernists
Feb 16th 2005
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                                         RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
79
                                              RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
82
                                                   RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
83
                                                        RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
84
                                                             RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
87
                                                                  RE: What the hell?!
Feb 15th 2005
90
                                                                       RE: What the hell?!
Feb 19th 2005
97
      RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 29th 2005
56
           okay...
Jan 30th 2005
60
                it's wrong, because your statement is not right
Jan 31st 2005
63
                     RE: it's wrong, because your statement is not right
Jan 31st 2005
64
                          an that's the crucial point
Feb 08th 2005
89
      inVerse, is that you?
Jan 29th 2005
51
           It is him.
Feb 06th 2005
77
                no, I'm not Inverse...
Feb 06th 2005
80
                     I was just joking
Feb 07th 2005
86
                          I realized this, but..
Feb 07th 2005
88
Why do you need proof?
Jan 24th 2005
2
RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 24th 2005
3
Nice circular logic...
Jan 24th 2005
4
Nice Logical Self-Contradiction
Jan 26th 2005
14
Nice try
Jan 26th 2005
20
      hahahahahahaha!
Jan 26th 2005
21
      RE: Nice try
Jan 27th 2005
38
Faith
Jan 27th 2005
40
RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 26th 2005
15
      RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 26th 2005
31
      RE: incorrect context of "i think",
Jan 27th 2005
35
           Like I said, it's an assumption
Jan 27th 2005
41
                RE: a question,
Jan 29th 2005
45
                     what is it then if not an assumption?
Jan 29th 2005
48
                          RE: what about the act of thought?
Jan 29th 2005
49
                               RE: what about the act of thought?
Jan 29th 2005
50
                                    RE: interesting,
Jan 29th 2005
52
                                         The problem with Descartes
Jan 29th 2005
53
                                              RE: Thanks,
Jan 29th 2005
54
      RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 27th 2005
42
Maybe its just over my head, but
Jan 24th 2005
5
RE: Maybe its just over my head, but
Jan 26th 2005
16
      I'm pretty sure it isn't logic
Jan 27th 2005
36
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
6
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
7
*sigh*
Jan 24th 2005
8
Look up GAGUT...
Jan 25th 2005
10
Sorry, dude.
Jan 25th 2005
12
      No dude, I'M SORRY...
Jan 26th 2005
28
          
                that's harsh... lol
Jan 27th 2005
34
RE: *sigh*
Jan 26th 2005
18
      arright, I've got some time
Jan 26th 2005
25
           RE: arright, I've got some time
Jan 29th 2005
46
                RE: arright, I've got some time
Jan 31st 2005
62
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
9
ease up on the clich
Jan 26th 2005
17
      ease up on the bullshit
Jan 26th 2005
26
      tell me...
Jan 26th 2005
29
      RE: ease up on the clich
Jan 26th 2005
27
           oh man I'm an idiot....
Jan 26th 2005
30
excuse me, but how can a candle melt in infinite ways?
Jan 25th 2005
11
RE: think of it,
Jan 26th 2005
19
      RE: think of it,
Jan 26th 2005
23
invents?
Jan 26th 2005
32
You are not Descartes.
Jan 27th 2005
39
RE: I know,
Jan 29th 2005
47
      No, dude, that's not what I'm saying...
Jan 31st 2005
67
What am I (God)?
Jan 30th 2005
57
Your just a bunch of memories
Jan 30th 2005
58
you being one of them
Jan 30th 2005
59
"I feel therefore I exist"
Feb 01st 2005
70
This is a romanticist's worldview!!!
Feb 01st 2005
71
      So be it
Feb 01st 2005
72
hematite, bitche!!!! and the animal & mineral kingdom, jahlove7
Feb 07th 2005
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