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61. "RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,"
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>>Why wouldn't he be? You seem to think that if someone
>>doesn't "believe" in "God" (and again, I don't pretend to
>>know anyone's beliefs, even my own), then it makes no sense
>>for him to care about society. This is nonsense.
>
>Wrong. I KNOW we ALL care about society. I'm not accusing
>anyone of not caring, but recognizing the fact that we share
>a common bond here. But that fact has to be legitimized by
>God for it to be a fact.

WRONGGGGG!!! Can we all stop throwing that word around as if we really understood some shit? We're talking philosophy here, nobody is "wrong." Some of us make weak arguments, though; arguments which don't make any sense, and have no external justification outside of pure culture. Your statement that "that fact has to be legitimized by God for it to be a fact" is an interesting case in point.

You're arguing that humans have no common bond if not that supplied by a conscious creator? Did that statement come from anywhere other than your pastor?

The common bond among all humans is pretty clear from ordinary experience. If I see a dude on the sidewalk, walk up and crack him in the jaw, he'll crack me right back. It's better for all of us, including me, if I just smile and keep walking.

The "common bond" among all of humanity is that we're all stuck here together. We have to cooperate, or rather, in the long run, we want to cooperate.

>>With or without God, there is still beauty.
>
>I disagree.
>
>With or without
>>God, there is still pain.
>
>I agree.

Oooh! Dramatic!

>We are completely aware of these
>>things, we see them every day (which is more than I can say
>>for God). We also know that they never take a completely
>>local existence. If we assume there is no God, then IT'S UP
>>TO US to increase the beauty and reduce the pain.
>
>Why? I cannot see why it would matter if I blew up the world
>if there is no God.

Most atheists are not so childish.

>If there is no God, who is to say a
>Rwandan genocide is wrong? Aren't the murderers just as
>valid in their beliefs as I am?

Sure, if the only justification you ask for is supernatural. In reality, what goes around comes around. The murderers have made a lot of enemies. They'll get theirs someday, and even if they don't they'll still be targets of revenge for the rest of their lives. Even if they aren't judged by God, they've been judged by the rest of us.


  

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Descartes proof for the existence of God, [View all] , thoughtremedy, Mon Jan-24-05 04:29 PM
 
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RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
1
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 26th 2005
13
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 26th 2005
22
      RE: excuse me but,
Jan 26th 2005
24
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 27th 2005
37
      I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 27th 2005
43
      RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 29th 2005
44
      dude, you need to read some Camus posthaste
Jan 29th 2005
55
      Camus and Sartre...
Jan 31st 2005
65
           understood n/m
Jan 31st 2005
68
     
           RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 31st 2005
66
                RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Feb 01st 2005
69
                     RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Feb 05th 2005
73
                          What the hell?!
Feb 05th 2005
74
                               RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
75
                                    RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
76
                                         Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 06th 2005
78
                                         RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 07th 2005
81
                                              RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 16th 2005
91
                                                   RE: Theology part of philosophy?
Feb 16th 2005
92
                                                        How am I "cryptic"?
Feb 16th 2005
93
                                                             Postmodernism = Bullshit,
Feb 16th 2005
94
                                                                  these guys ain't postmodernists
Feb 16th 2005
95
                                                                       RE: these guys ain't postmodernists
Feb 16th 2005
96
                                         RE: What the hell?!
Feb 06th 2005
79
                                              RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
82
                                                   RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
83
                                                        RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
84
                                                             RE: What the hell?!
Feb 07th 2005
87
                                                                  RE: What the hell?!
Feb 15th 2005
90
                                                                       RE: What the hell?!
Feb 19th 2005
97
      RE: I won't pretend to speak for SH,
Jan 29th 2005
56
           okay...
Jan 30th 2005
60
                it's wrong, because your statement is not right
Jan 31st 2005
63
                     RE: it's wrong, because your statement is not right
Jan 31st 2005
64
                          an that's the crucial point
Feb 08th 2005
89
      inVerse, is that you?
Jan 29th 2005
51
           It is him.
Feb 06th 2005
77
                no, I'm not Inverse...
Feb 06th 2005
80
                     I was just joking
Feb 07th 2005
86
                          I realized this, but..
Feb 07th 2005
88
Why do you need proof?
Jan 24th 2005
2
RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 24th 2005
3
Nice circular logic...
Jan 24th 2005
4
Nice Logical Self-Contradiction
Jan 26th 2005
14
Nice try
Jan 26th 2005
20
      hahahahahahaha!
Jan 26th 2005
21
      RE: Nice try
Jan 27th 2005
38
Faith
Jan 27th 2005
40
RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 26th 2005
15
      RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 26th 2005
31
      RE: incorrect context of "i think",
Jan 27th 2005
35
           Like I said, it's an assumption
Jan 27th 2005
41
                RE: a question,
Jan 29th 2005
45
                     what is it then if not an assumption?
Jan 29th 2005
48
                          RE: what about the act of thought?
Jan 29th 2005
49
                               RE: what about the act of thought?
Jan 29th 2005
50
                                    RE: interesting,
Jan 29th 2005
52
                                         The problem with Descartes
Jan 29th 2005
53
                                              RE: Thanks,
Jan 29th 2005
54
      RE: Why do you need proof?
Jan 27th 2005
42
Maybe its just over my head, but
Jan 24th 2005
5
RE: Maybe its just over my head, but
Jan 26th 2005
16
      I'm pretty sure it isn't logic
Jan 27th 2005
36
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
6
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
7
*sigh*
Jan 24th 2005
8
Look up GAGUT...
Jan 25th 2005
10
Sorry, dude.
Jan 25th 2005
12
      No dude, I'M SORRY...
Jan 26th 2005
28
           RE: No dude, I'M SORRY...
Jan 26th 2005
33
                that's harsh... lol
Jan 27th 2005
34
RE: *sigh*
Jan 26th 2005
18
      arright, I've got some time
Jan 26th 2005
25
           RE: arright, I've got some time
Jan 29th 2005
46
                RE: arright, I've got some time
Jan 31st 2005
62
RE: Descartes proof for the existence of God,
Jan 24th 2005
9
ease up on the clich
Jan 26th 2005
17
      ease up on the bullshit
Jan 26th 2005
26
      tell me...
Jan 26th 2005
29
      RE: ease up on the clich
Jan 26th 2005
27
           oh man I'm an idiot....
Jan 26th 2005
30
excuse me, but how can a candle melt in infinite ways?
Jan 25th 2005
11
RE: think of it,
Jan 26th 2005
19
      RE: think of it,
Jan 26th 2005
23
invents?
Jan 26th 2005
32
You are not Descartes.
Jan 27th 2005
39
RE: I know,
Jan 29th 2005
47
      No, dude, that's not what I'm saying...
Jan 31st 2005
67
What am I (God)?
Jan 30th 2005
57
Your just a bunch of memories
Jan 30th 2005
58
you being one of them
Jan 30th 2005
59
"I feel therefore I exist"
Feb 01st 2005
70
This is a romanticist's worldview!!!
Feb 01st 2005
71
      So be it
Feb 01st 2005
72
hematite, bitche!!!! and the animal & mineral kingdom, jahlove7
Feb 07th 2005
85

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