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31. "Did you even go to the other sites?"
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Yeah, we all have other shit to do, except that you posted a pretty awful article and I have to respond to it. Here's what a rabbi has to say about this guy. And Im sorry if this is an ad hominem attack but I'm really not trying to debate you on the greater issues of the article. My problem with it is that it has anti-semetic undertones. The guy who wrote it is an anti-semite, deal with it. Maybe you aren't, I dont care, but this guy definitely is.

YES, ERNESTO,THERE IS A JEWISH PLOT

Rabbi Avi Shafran


When, confronted several years ago with the titles of several new Japanese books about Jewish plots to subjugate mankind, I said okay, so there are Japanese who hate Jews even though they've never met one but I bet there aren't any Mexican anti-Semites, I spoke too soon.

Meet the "Aztlan Communication Network." It is the teratoid brainchild of one Ernesto Cienfuegos, a Mexican-American every bit as fixated upon - and hateful of - Jews as any white supremacist, Islamist or Nazi.

He's every bit as unintentionally funny, too. One conspiracy he prides himself on having fearlessly exposed is the "Jewish tax" that inheres, hidden in plain sight from unsuspecting Gentiles, in secret code on food packaging. Long familiar to Hebrews of traditional bent, the various kosher symbols (the popular "u" inscribed in an "o" that is a trademark of the Orthodox Union, as well as myriad graphic riffs on the letter "k") are indications that the product so marked was produced under the supervision of a rabbi expert in the intricacies of both kosher law and food science.

Companies pay for the service, of course, as they do for the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval (which requires that one advertise in a magazine) or, indirectly (through increased manufacturing costs) for the right to call their products "organic" or "all natural." To Mr. Cienfuegos, however, the arrangement is decidedly unkosher; it smacks, to his fuzzy lights, of a sinister bilking of innocent non-Jews. If companies pay for a rabbi's service, he unreasons, the cost must be passed on... secretly, of course... to consumers.

In 1975, The New York Times reported that the cost to General Foods for rabbinical supervision of its "Bird's Eye" products worked out to .0000065 of a cent per item. A Heinz Company representative maintained that its kosher labeling actually decreases the cost of items by increasing the market for them - the only rational reason a company would choose to pay for such a service.

Nor is Mr. Cienfuegos compelled to buy one brand of gefilte fish over another. If the kosher item proves more expensive, he can simply opt for one that hasn't been supervised by a rabbi (which one imagines he would probably prefer in any event).

Anti-Semites, though, don't like to be confused by facts; they have bigger things to do, like sowing hatred and suspicion. And any energy Mr. Cienfuegos has left after exposing nefarious Jewish conspiracies is put to use pushing the Palestinian cause, largely by presenting graphic accounts and images of Arab injuries and deaths suffered as the result of Israeli military force.

Curiously missing are depictions of the results of Arab violence, nor any consideration of the fact that innocent Arab casualties are unintentional and regretted, the result of a defensive war of survival; and Israeli ones the result of premeditated, cruel and gleeful acts of murder fueled by hatred.

The very hatred, in fact, that animates Mr. Cienfuegos and company.

That's what's so intriguing about Jew-hatred. It's so... adaptable. Much of it, over history, has been of a racial nature; but much of it, too, rooted in religion; some of it has been political; and some, almost personal. The mark, though, has been the same.

Most folks connected even rudimentarily to reality realize that there are no Elders of Zion (at least none who aspire to world control), and no Jews who murder Christians to mix their blood into matzohs. And yet, millions keep even those myths alive (not to mention add new ones, like Jewish recruitment of Arab innocents to fly planes into buildings). And then there are less blatant, perhaps, but more insidious Jewish crimes... like kosher symbols.

While the surprising eruptions of anti-Semitism in unexpected places and the sheer creativity and irrepressibility of Jew-hatred are rightful causes of concern for us Jews, there is also something curiously invigorating about it all.

For it points to what underlies Jew-hatred: the suspicion that the Jewish people are special.

However odd it might seem of God, He did indeed deign to choose the Jews. In other words, yes, Ernesto, there is a plot (though not a conspiracy; there's only one Plotter).

What anti-Semites don't know, though, is that the Jewish mission isn't to subjugate but rather to educate. Keep it under your hat, but Jews are charged with living lives of holiness, of service to God and man.

That includes prayer, charity and acts of kindness, study of holy texts and meticulous honesty in all our dealings - as well as a multitude of ritual matters, like eating kosher food. No, Ernesto, it doesn't include undermining society or the domination of others.

One day, G-d willing - likely when we Jews shoulder our mission with more passion and determination - those who labor so hard to hate us will come to realize that our specialness was never a threat to them at all, but a gift.


COULTER: Osama bin Laden is D-E-D
dead. No one can convince me
otherwise.

BIN LADEN: occupying himself by
talking to the little girl about the goat
and its butting was more important
than occupying himself with the
planes and their butting of the
skyscrapers.

  

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Germans force French city to take down anti-Nazi sign [View all] , zewari, Fri Nov-19-04 04:02 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: Germans force French city to take down anti-Nazi sign
Nov 20th 2004
1
lol
Nov 20th 2004
2
Ha!
Nov 20th 2004
3
seriously
Nov 22nd 2004
47
It's irony...a flip-side to the coin
Nov 20th 2004
4
Man, I think you're going about this the wrong way.
Nov 20th 2004
5
Zionists policies heavily mirror Nazi tactics
Nov 20th 2004
6
      You can do better than this.
Nov 20th 2004
7
           the Nazi comparison is completely valid
Nov 20th 2004
10
                no its not
Nov 21st 2004
13
                the analogy stands, and you are confusing the issues...
Nov 21st 2004
15
                     RE: the analogy stands, and you are confusing the issues...
Nov 21st 2004
17
                          was that supposed to be a serious response?
Nov 21st 2004
18
                          No it wasn't, it was a gut reaction to your ignorance.
Nov 21st 2004
29
                               I'll respond after finals cause this is bullshit...
Nov 21st 2004
30
                                   
                                         answer the question
Nov 21st 2004
32
                                              RE: answer the question
Nov 21st 2004
34
                                                   do better.
Nov 21st 2004
35
                                                        Do better?
Nov 21st 2004
38
                                                             you said that specific article was HATEFUL...
Nov 21st 2004
39
                          Co sign this guy
Nov 21st 2004
27
                RE: the Nazi comparison is completely valid
Mar 08th 2005
124
                     look @ this tough guy here.
Mar 08th 2005
126
How can I take you seriously
Nov 20th 2004
8
read response #10
Nov 20th 2004
11
      How does that make it any less offensive?
Nov 21st 2004
14
      you are reacting emotionally and illogically
Nov 21st 2004
16
           Read Mein Kampf
Nov 21st 2004
19
                incomparable.
Nov 21st 2004
20
                     How so?
Nov 21st 2004
21
                          read again.
Nov 21st 2004
23
                               RE: read again.
Nov 21st 2004
25
      what does anti-semtic mean?
Nov 21st 2004
41
           even more so...
Nov 22nd 2004
65
                Co-freakin'-sign
Nov 22nd 2004
66
                     yup i agree
Nov 26th 2004
82
this IS a legitimate comparison....
Nov 20th 2004
9
Picture and article about the anti-Sharon sign
Nov 20th 2004
12
Blacks force klan to take down burning cross.
Nov 21st 2004
22
read posts #10 and #15
Nov 21st 2004
24
      Im making a fair analogy
Nov 21st 2004
26
           Actually that analogy was gross
Nov 21st 2004
28
                I agree
Nov 22nd 2004
42
                     while i won't comment
Nov 22nd 2004
43
                          Neither does his
Nov 22nd 2004
44
                               point taken, however
Nov 22nd 2004
45
                                    I can make an analogy for anything
Nov 22nd 2004
46
                                         RE: I can make an analogy for anything
Nov 22nd 2004
48
                                         RE: I can make an analogy for anything
Nov 22nd 2004
59
                                              Yes it is
Nov 22nd 2004
67
                                                   That's it right there
Nov 29th 2004
91
                                         you are LYING
Nov 22nd 2004
50
Jewish professor accused of "anti-semitism" by Canadian Jewish Congress
Nov 21st 2004
33
RE: Jewish professor accused of "anti-semitism" by Canadian Jewish Congr
Nov 21st 2004
36
      triple major
Nov 21st 2004
37
           Respect, thats alot of work.
Nov 21st 2004
40
Ha'aretz: Israel-Nazi comparison is VALID
Nov 22nd 2004
49
you still put a misleading title on this post
Nov 22nd 2004
56
      is that supposed to be a serious comment??
Nov 22nd 2004
57
           the title was
Nov 22nd 2004
58
                its called symbollism.
Nov 22nd 2004
60
                     that's a bullshit defense
Nov 22nd 2004
61
                          I'm not defending anything cause there's nothing to defend
Nov 22nd 2004
62
                               because you didn't post it as an analogy
Nov 22nd 2004
63
                                    the analogy was freakin' OBVIOUS
Nov 22nd 2004
64
                                         I have 3 more
Nov 23rd 2004
68
                                              yeah... ok
Nov 23rd 2004
69
                                                   well it read kinda like bitterness
Nov 23rd 2004
70
Einstein & 27 prominent Jews compared zionists to Nazis
Nov 22nd 2004
51
Rabbi Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl asks 10 questions to zionists
Nov 22nd 2004
52
Collection of statements from Rabbis AGAINST zionism
Nov 22nd 2004
53
      Rabbi Mordechai Gifter: ZIONISTS ARE MURDERERS
Nov 22nd 2004
54
British Jewish MPs liken Gaza to Nazi Ghettos
Nov 22nd 2004
55
^up for the zionist appologists^
Nov 26th 2004
71
You gonna cry cos people disagree with you?
Nov 26th 2004
73
all you do is 'object' cause you can't validate your argument.
Nov 26th 2004
76
      I posted some sources for you to ignore
Nov 26th 2004
77
           on what planet?
Nov 26th 2004
78
                On planet bullshit
Nov 26th 2004
80
                     that's a stupid objective.
Nov 29th 2004
86
                          Sure it was
Nov 29th 2004
89
                               FACT is NOT OBJECTIVE
Nov 29th 2004
90
                                    So you believe in universal truth?
Nov 29th 2004
92
                                         FACTS are not subject to interpretation
Dec 08th 2004
104
                                              Its not indisputable though
Dec 14th 2004
108
                                                   1+1=2
Dec 14th 2004
110
                                                        Numbers are symbols
Dec 15th 2004
112
RE: ^up for the zionist appologists^
Nov 26th 2004
74
      the charge of anti-semiticism makes NO sense
Nov 26th 2004
75
           RE: the charge of anti-semiticism makes NO sense
Nov 26th 2004
79
                RE: the charge of anti-semiticism makes NO sense
Nov 29th 2004
87
up
Nov 26th 2004
72
so, you're anti semetic?
Nov 26th 2004
81
nope, i AM semitic
Nov 27th 2004
85
you sound like a damn nazi
Nov 27th 2004
83
you're anti-semitic
Nov 27th 2004
84
Israeli TV EXPOSED Zionists' EUGENICS Campaign
Nov 29th 2004
88
Jerusalem Post: Over 50% of Germans equate IDF w/ Nazi army
Dec 08th 2004
93
Who are they to talk?
Dec 08th 2004
95
      people w/ first hand experience of Nazi tactics
Dec 08th 2004
97
           Clearly not
Dec 08th 2004
98
                so only people who've been to israel can understand...
Dec 08th 2004
100
                     Nope
Dec 08th 2004
102
Israeli soldiers expose maniacal belligerence towards defenseless Palest
Dec 08th 2004
94
Soldiers are belligerent?
Dec 08th 2004
96
      you represent rejectionism @ its worst
Dec 08th 2004
99
           What am I rejecting
Dec 08th 2004
101
                you're rejecting the criminality of zionism
Dec 08th 2004
103
                     RE: you're rejecting the criminality of zionism
Dec 09th 2004
105
                          you seriously place Palestinian terrorism on par with Israeli terrorism?
Dec 14th 2004
106
                               Sigh
Dec 14th 2004
107
                                    this is exactly why you're a pathetic rejectionist.
Dec 14th 2004
109
                                         BOO
Dec 15th 2004
111
                                              you're either delusional, in denial, or willingly rejecting FACTS.
Dec 21st 2004
113
                                                   I question your "sources"
Dec 28th 2004
115
                                                        you are thoroughly disgusting
Dec 28th 2004
116
                                                             Yup, that solved it
Dec 29th 2004
117
UN Resolution 3379 identified zionism as a form of racism
Dec 21st 2004
114
request to archive
Jan 20th 2005
118
anti-NAZI is NAZI
Jan 22nd 2005
119
hhhwaaaaaaaatt??? (c) Lil' John
Jan 22nd 2005
120
      it was creative license
Mar 08th 2005
123
Israeli measures to silence the voices of truth
Feb 11th 2005
121
London's Mayor speaks out
Mar 08th 2005
122
RE: London's Mayor speaks out
Mar 08th 2005
125
crack really is a helluva drug
Mar 08th 2005
127
Wonderful, a corrupt turncoat hypocrite speaks out.
Mar 15th 2005
128

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