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75. "a few things:"
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I started taking lessons from personal observation and logic. questioning my views and seeing if my old view still stood.

at one point, my life focus was embracing and living in accord to afrikan tradition. for example, one reason I'm vegetarian today is because I internalized llaila o. afrika's assertion that we are nutritional uncle tom's and we've wholely accepted the europeans' diet. much of who i am today is about trying to be a better afrikan. but for the longest, I was about embracing tradition without criticism or regard as to whether all tradition was really "right".

i started to question my views on homosexuality when I saw the struggles my best friend and his family were having. his little brother is gay — not because of european influence and emulation, diet, abuse, molestation, school or friends. dude just gay. quiet as kept, everybody always knew that shit. seeing them struggle with his "issue" and their attempts to "straighten" him, just didn't feel right to me. they didn't want him to be true to self. there were a couple of other examples but i'll stop with that one.

later, i came to the realization that those of us trying to embrace african-centered ideals are much like the evangelical right in the sense that most of us endorse a narrow path that won't allow others to walk their own path without criticism, judgment and ridicule if that path isn't to our liking. i realized that, truth is, everybody ain't the same. i realized that truth trumps tradition and that sometimes tradition can be wrong and oppressive.

these days, I don't consider homosexuality anti-african — just anti-tradition. i don't consider it immoral that gays live out their sexuality as freely as we live out ours. we got an obsession about who other people partner with or how they have sex. i'd consider that a display of low moral character if I were to try to get in the way of someone else's pursuit of happiness, particularly when their quest doesn't interfere with my pursuit or the pursuit of my people. shit. many gays ARE our people. I'd consider it a display of low moral character if I were to participate in efforts organize against people's right to have their relationships recognized with the same respect that I expect mine to be recognized. truth is people are different and i believe they should have the freedom to be who they are. that's consistent with the principles that caused me to search for and embraced my culture in the first place.

that's pretty much what happened. hope this answers your question.

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homosexuality is bad for african spirituality [View all] , Utamaroho, Thu Jun-23-11 09:50 AM
 
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I would ask: why does it matter?
Jan 20th 2005
1
see? this is supposed to be some dialogue
Jan 20th 2005
4
      the same way lying does.
Jan 20th 2005
5
           And how is that?
Jan 20th 2005
6
                it isn't in line with thoe core belief system
Jan 20th 2005
7
                     what is this core belief system composed of?
Jan 20th 2005
8
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
2
RE: homosexuality is bad
Jan 20th 2005
3
co-sheezy
Jan 20th 2005
13
This was building bloc theifin Uta's screename again
Jan 20th 2005
9
somehow I knew it was Building Block and not UTA.
Jan 21st 2005
17
not embracing truth is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
10
is lying bad?
Jan 20th 2005
11
Um sayin' tho. (n/m)
Jan 20th 2005
12
RE: not embracing truth is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
14
      he said African half-men?!?
Jan 21st 2005
34
           yep. that's what I said
Jan 21st 2005
40
                the most afrocentric people i know.....
Jan 21st 2005
42
                     RE: the most afrocentric people i know.....
Jan 21st 2005
43
                          ask the cops...bet they'd clear that up real quick
Jan 21st 2005
44
                          clearly dude ain't seent me.
Jan 21st 2005
48
                               Everybody in this thread has the gay touch....
Jan 22nd 2005
64
                                    We're all getting SOMETHING out of this post
Jan 25th 2005
103
                                         RE: We're all getting SOMETHING out of this post
Jan 29th 2005
119
                          Huh?
Jan 25th 2005
102
                               RE: Huh?
Jan 25th 2005
104
Here we go again
Jan 20th 2005
15
Okay
Jan 22nd 2005
60
RE: Here we go again
Jan 25th 2005
105
Not as bad as Christianity was tho eh?
Jan 20th 2005
16
No one got anything to say to this?
Jan 28th 2005
114
I agree with totally
Jan 21st 2005
18
and there's no "heterosexual" agenda?
Jan 21st 2005
19
I ain't even going to argue with you cause I
Jan 21st 2005
32
no argument...i just asked a simple question.
Jan 21st 2005
33
      Huey... tahkara has a quote dissing .....
Jan 21st 2005
36
           lmao....i can't clown?
Jan 21st 2005
38
           the infamous homophobe label
Jan 21st 2005
56
                it's funny how folks become selective lexicographers.
Jan 22nd 2005
57
yo check myspace
Jan 22nd 2005
61
RE: I agree with totally
Jan 21st 2005
20
      ...clone?
Jan 21st 2005
22
      Yes, a clone
Jan 21st 2005
23
      that's original.
Jan 21st 2005
24
      RE: that's original.
Jan 21st 2005
25
           you brought up clones...i'm just saying,
Jan 21st 2005
27
                RE: you brought up clones...i'm just saying,
Jan 21st 2005
29
                so we're supposed to trust you, cuz you say so?
Jan 21st 2005
30
                Clones, yo DJ QoolQuest, Que up that dope freestyle drum intro off beat
Jan 22nd 2005
62
      RE: Yes, a clone
Jan 23rd 2005
80
      yo he said we got a homosexual mafia, dawg!?!?
Jan 21st 2005
35
           Think outside the box dawg.
Jan 21st 2005
41
      RE:I"m in the mafia!
Jan 22nd 2005
59
           RE:I"m in the mafia!
Jan 22nd 2005
63
yeah, except for the chicks n/m
Jan 21st 2005
21
do you have any armbands i could borrow?
Jan 21st 2005
26
PAY UP WITH THE SAMPLE CREDITS OKAYPLAYER!!!
Jan 21st 2005
51
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 21st 2005
28
homosexuality is bad for the human race
Jan 21st 2005
31
Falwell seems to be very African-centered, then.....
Jan 21st 2005
39
Deepdick collective: LOL
Jan 23rd 2005
79
lol
Jan 21st 2005
45
Hahahahahahahahah
Jan 21st 2005
46
not getting some ass.....
Jan 21st 2005
37
Wow...
Jan 21st 2005
49
ONE SICK NEGRO
Jan 22nd 2005
65
RE: not getting some ass.....
Jan 23rd 2005
81
information.
Jan 21st 2005
47
indigenous "homosex" ritual is not homosexuality
Jan 21st 2005
50
      RE: indigenous
Jan 21st 2005
55
      i'm just sayin tho: notes from a gay griot...
Jan 23rd 2005
85
           My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 26th 2005
109
                RE: My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 26th 2005
110
                     RE: My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 29th 2005
115
      This right here is real talk...
Jan 23rd 2005
87
           RE: This right here is real talk...- NOT
Jan 24th 2005
92
                my bad.... it's more....
Jan 24th 2005
97
                10%...30%.....4%...1% is NOT the point.
Jan 24th 2005
99
                     that's precisely my point....
Jan 24th 2005
100
                          RE:That wasn't in response to you
Jan 29th 2005
116
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 21st 2005
52
the ritual Sacrifiial RAPE AND VIolent degradation of
Jan 21st 2005
53
ya'll should objectively study social deviance
Jan 21st 2005
54
objective study is impossible
Jan 23rd 2005
83
      nothing's impossible
Jan 24th 2005
95
homosexuality is bad for ANY spirituality
Jan 22nd 2005
58
homosexual culture has always existed
Jan 22nd 2005
70
      RE: homosexual culture has always existed - WRONG
Jan 23rd 2005
74
           riiiight
Jan 23rd 2005
78
           RE: riiiight
Jan 24th 2005
91
           lmao
Jan 23rd 2005
88
in what ways does this debate help in anything?
Jan 22nd 2005
66
my views use to mirrror Sundiata7 and Taharka's
Jan 22nd 2005
67
Breezeboogie...
Jan 22nd 2005
69
      quite an enlightened post...
Jan 23rd 2005
82
      25percenter and BreezeBoogie
Jan 24th 2005
90
      * READ THIS REPLY *
Jan 23rd 2005
84
      veggie ?
Jan 23rd 2005
89
      didn't you know?
Jan 25th 2005
107
      RE: a few things:
Jan 26th 2005
108
           cosign
Jan 26th 2005
111
Hope
Jan 22nd 2005
71
This wasn't Uta's post. Someone stole his login.
Jan 23rd 2005
73
      that makes sense
Jan 23rd 2005
76
      Uta started makin' nonsensical posts
Jan 23rd 2005
77
homosexuality or civil war?
Jan 22nd 2005
68
Dagara Tribe - n/m
Jan 23rd 2005
86
yeah. so i read this post of *buildingblock's*
Jan 24th 2005
93
who needs to be put up to speed?
Jan 24th 2005
94
i don't let him. i forget to log out often...
Jan 24th 2005
96
      RE: i don't let him. i forget to log out often...
Jan 25th 2005
106
rofl
Jan 25th 2005
101
homosexuality is bad for procreation.
Jan 24th 2005
98
"African spirituality" is a construct
Jan 26th 2005
112
hmm revisited
Jan 28th 2005
113
cosign
Jan 30th 2005
121
what ISN'T a construct?
Jan 29th 2005
118
      exactly
Jan 30th 2005
120
I don't agree with this question
Jan 29th 2005
117

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