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it seems like we are trying for a mojority rules political oppinion so that no one has to apply critical thought to the existance of a thing until it becomes an accepted custom.

for me it boils down to this, if you believe in a european eugenic agenda advancing a eurocentric global hegemony on the planet, which can only be sustained by keeping indiginous populations in check, by hook or by crook, then homosexuality can be lumped in with aids and 'family planning' as a factor preciptiating the downfall of the viability of the breeding population of these peoples.

it is another level of conflict, where one culture will breed the other out. in a 'democratic' system, you need the majority to establish political power, after which you can control the minority group.

for instance, in new zealand, the invading force purposefully imported women who were fertile and hearty to establish the colony, and even though, for the most part, they were fought to a standstill by the maori in the past, now, because they have numerical superiority, they can subtly pass legislation that can slowly erode any and every maori land right and right to self determination. because they are outnumbered.

it has been laid out in clear english in the eugenic doctorines of the late 1800's and early 1900's in the work of many prominent european's that eugenics is an agenda, and only after the embarrasing behavior of their poster boy hitler, was it forced to adopt a more underground stance. this stance did not lessen their commitment to the agenda. and may have made it more effective.

in this context, homesexuality of african peoples can be seen as a negative thing. as it limits the breeding ability of the child bearing age population. although the question was the spiritual, many if not most spiritual taboos are based around holding together a community, which entails rituals such as marriage and monogamy in an area of limited resources.

for all the talk about birth control, now some european countries and japan are actually offering cash incentives to get their young women to bear more children. the most immediate concern is the ageing population. if a certain amount of people, the 'baby boomers' reach retirement age, it leaves a deficit to be filled by an equally large group of youth, needed to support them.

so you get a sort of confused logic. especially in regards to indiginous and immigrant or simply 'people of color' who are encouraged not to immigrate or have children, while they encourage their children to? it's only confused if you are an idiot. there is a clear ethnocentric agenda.

however, to add balance to the picture, i would introduce a concept that i am trying to understand in the pacific, which may add credence to the aformentioned information, or rather to a hypothesis that homosexuality negatively impacts the breeding population in reference to available resources (or in a situation where there are two groups in conflict over a similar resource).

enter the fa'afafine...

http://www.abc.net.au/ra/pacific/people/hazy.htm

to paraphrase, in a samoan family of all boys, sometimes the youngest boy will be raised as a girl to help the mother. they dress as a girl because what they are doing is womens work. this does not mean that they are homosexual, as in many cases when they grow up they still marry a woman and go on to have children.

why this sort of backs my hyothesis is that it usually occurs in families with all boys, but i haven't worked out where this fits into the idea that homosexuality comes from europe (greece). it doesn't neccesarilly mean that africans had or did not have homosexuality, or socialized homosexuality, but here is evidence of a socialized homosexuality in a group with mixed micro and melanesian heritage.

i guess i don't think that homosexuality is good for black people in our current condition. i also am not for hyper sexual music videos or overzealous infidelity. i think it is possible to be sexual and loving, but i have found that abstinence before marriage and the idea of families integrating into eachother through marriage is fairly valid.

i'm not overzealous in my beliefs. but i'm not going to jump on any bandwagon hollering 'go gay go!'. metro sexual is perplexing to me. and in general, i'm trying to be living proof that you don't have to alienate or demonize anyone, and still can go on to have beautifull black babies that i will raise and love and will eventually end up strengthening black people by virtue of mind (training) body (healthy living) and soul (love of the most high, the universe).

i think that anything in the media is questionable. it serves a very hidden and dubious agenda. it is the coloseum complete with gladiators and orgies. it pushes the lowest common denominator while the tyrants erode the rights and livelihood of the people.

i hope this doesn't seem like a levelled attack at homosexuality. i'm open to discussion. i don't think 'god hates fags' or what have you. i mentioned the fa'afine because my understanding or idea of homosexuality was altered when i learned of them. and they do exist.

i will bring up that their life in a european context like new zealand is not an enviable one. often they end up turning tricks on the street and beating the shit out of skin heads and drunkards who try to mess with them. the most frightening gangsters to me are the 7 foot tall 289lbs samoan men in 6inch heels on the street around the corner from where i used to live, and i'm like "what's up dude, how you doing? naw, i'm cool, stay strong brother..."

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homosexuality is bad for african spirituality [View all] , Utamaroho, Thu Jun-23-11 09:50 AM
 
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I would ask: why does it matter?
Jan 20th 2005
1
see? this is supposed to be some dialogue
Jan 20th 2005
4
      the same way lying does.
Jan 20th 2005
5
           And how is that?
Jan 20th 2005
6
                it isn't in line with thoe core belief system
Jan 20th 2005
7
                     what is this core belief system composed of?
Jan 20th 2005
8
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
2
RE: homosexuality is bad
Jan 20th 2005
3
co-sheezy
Jan 20th 2005
13
This was building bloc theifin Uta's screename again
Jan 20th 2005
9
somehow I knew it was Building Block and not UTA.
Jan 21st 2005
17
not embracing truth is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
10
is lying bad?
Jan 20th 2005
11
Um sayin' tho. (n/m)
Jan 20th 2005
12
RE: not embracing truth is bad for african spirituality
Jan 20th 2005
14
      he said African half-men?!?
Jan 21st 2005
34
           yep. that's what I said
Jan 21st 2005
40
                the most afrocentric people i know.....
Jan 21st 2005
42
                     RE: the most afrocentric people i know.....
Jan 21st 2005
43
                          ask the cops...bet they'd clear that up real quick
Jan 21st 2005
44
                          clearly dude ain't seent me.
Jan 21st 2005
48
                               Everybody in this thread has the gay touch....
Jan 22nd 2005
64
                                    We're all getting SOMETHING out of this post
Jan 25th 2005
103
                                         RE: We're all getting SOMETHING out of this post
Jan 29th 2005
119
                          Huh?
Jan 25th 2005
102
                               RE: Huh?
Jan 25th 2005
104
Here we go again
Jan 20th 2005
15
Okay
Jan 22nd 2005
60
RE: Here we go again
Jan 25th 2005
105
Not as bad as Christianity was tho eh?
Jan 20th 2005
16
No one got anything to say to this?
Jan 28th 2005
114
I agree with totally
Jan 21st 2005
18
and there's no "heterosexual" agenda?
Jan 21st 2005
19
I ain't even going to argue with you cause I
Jan 21st 2005
32
no argument...i just asked a simple question.
Jan 21st 2005
33
      Huey... tahkara has a quote dissing .....
Jan 21st 2005
36
           lmao....i can't clown?
Jan 21st 2005
38
           the infamous homophobe label
Jan 21st 2005
56
                it's funny how folks become selective lexicographers.
Jan 22nd 2005
57
yo check myspace
Jan 22nd 2005
61
RE: I agree with totally
Jan 21st 2005
20
      ...clone?
Jan 21st 2005
22
      Yes, a clone
Jan 21st 2005
23
      that's original.
Jan 21st 2005
24
      RE: that's original.
Jan 21st 2005
25
           you brought up clones...i'm just saying,
Jan 21st 2005
27
                RE: you brought up clones...i'm just saying,
Jan 21st 2005
29
                so we're supposed to trust you, cuz you say so?
Jan 21st 2005
30
                Clones, yo DJ QoolQuest, Que up that dope freestyle drum intro off beat
Jan 22nd 2005
62
      RE: Yes, a clone
Jan 23rd 2005
80
      yo he said we got a homosexual mafia, dawg!?!?
Jan 21st 2005
35
           Think outside the box dawg.
Jan 21st 2005
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      RE:I"m in the mafia!
Jan 22nd 2005
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           RE:I"m in the mafia!
Jan 22nd 2005
63
yeah, except for the chicks n/m
Jan 21st 2005
21
do you have any armbands i could borrow?
Jan 21st 2005
26
PAY UP WITH THE SAMPLE CREDITS OKAYPLAYER!!!
Jan 21st 2005
51
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 21st 2005
28
homosexuality is bad for the human race
Jan 21st 2005
31
Falwell seems to be very African-centered, then.....
Jan 21st 2005
39
Deepdick collective: LOL
Jan 23rd 2005
79
lol
Jan 21st 2005
45
Hahahahahahahahah
Jan 21st 2005
46
not getting some ass.....
Jan 21st 2005
37
Wow...
Jan 21st 2005
49
ONE SICK NEGRO
Jan 22nd 2005
65
RE: not getting some ass.....
Jan 23rd 2005
81
indigenous "homosex" ritual is not homosexuality
Jan 21st 2005
50
      RE: indigenous
Jan 21st 2005
55
      i'm just sayin tho: notes from a gay griot...
Jan 23rd 2005
85
           My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 26th 2005
109
                RE: My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 26th 2005
110
                     RE: My thoughts are homosexual...
Jan 29th 2005
115
      This right here is real talk...
Jan 23rd 2005
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           RE: This right here is real talk...- NOT
Jan 24th 2005
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                my bad.... it's more....
Jan 24th 2005
97
                10%...30%.....4%...1% is NOT the point.
Jan 24th 2005
99
                     that's precisely my point....
Jan 24th 2005
100
                          RE:That wasn't in response to you
Jan 29th 2005
116
RE: homosexuality is bad for african spirituality
Jan 21st 2005
52
the ritual Sacrifiial RAPE AND VIolent degradation of
Jan 21st 2005
53
ya'll should objectively study social deviance
Jan 21st 2005
54
objective study is impossible
Jan 23rd 2005
83
      nothing's impossible
Jan 24th 2005
95
homosexuality is bad for ANY spirituality
Jan 22nd 2005
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homosexual culture has always existed
Jan 22nd 2005
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      RE: homosexual culture has always existed - WRONG
Jan 23rd 2005
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           riiiight
Jan 23rd 2005
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           RE: riiiight
Jan 24th 2005
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           lmao
Jan 23rd 2005
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in what ways does this debate help in anything?
Jan 22nd 2005
66
my views use to mirrror Sundiata7 and Taharka's
Jan 22nd 2005
67
Breezeboogie...
Jan 22nd 2005
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a few things:
Jan 23rd 2005
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      quite an enlightened post...
Jan 23rd 2005
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      25percenter and BreezeBoogie
Jan 24th 2005
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      * READ THIS REPLY *
Jan 23rd 2005
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      veggie ?
Jan 23rd 2005
89
      didn't you know?
Jan 25th 2005
107
      RE: a few things:
Jan 26th 2005
108
           cosign
Jan 26th 2005
111
Hope
Jan 22nd 2005
71
This wasn't Uta's post. Someone stole his login.
Jan 23rd 2005
73
      that makes sense
Jan 23rd 2005
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      Uta started makin' nonsensical posts
Jan 23rd 2005
77
homosexuality or civil war?
Jan 22nd 2005
68
Dagara Tribe - n/m
Jan 23rd 2005
86
yeah. so i read this post of *buildingblock's*
Jan 24th 2005
93
who needs to be put up to speed?
Jan 24th 2005
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i don't let him. i forget to log out often...
Jan 24th 2005
96
      RE: i don't let him. i forget to log out often...
Jan 25th 2005
106
rofl
Jan 25th 2005
101
homosexuality is bad for procreation.
Jan 24th 2005
98
"African spirituality" is a construct
Jan 26th 2005
112
hmm revisited
Jan 28th 2005
113
cosign
Jan 30th 2005
121
what ISN'T a construct?
Jan 29th 2005
118
      exactly
Jan 30th 2005
120
I don't agree with this question
Jan 29th 2005
117

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