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58. "because we are mankind and he is Allah"
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We are created. He is the creator. It's pure and utter arrogance to even consider mankind on any level equivalent to Allah.

Here are some proofs from the Qu'ran:

Surah Baqara
2:255 Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

Surah Hashr
59:22 Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

59:23 Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah. (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.

59:24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

Surah Hajj
2 3 Oh men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition!


Here are some words to reflect on regarding pride and arrogance:

...As for the beginning of man, he was "a thing unremembered". He was concealed in non-existence. Non-existence has no beginning. What is lower and meaner than obliteration and non-existence? He was in non-existence. Then Allah created him from the basest of things, and then from the most unclean thing. He created him from earth and then from a sperm-drop, then a blood-clot, then a lump of flesh. Then He made the flesh bones, and then clothes the bones in flesh. This was the beginning of his existence and then he became a thing remembered. He was a thing unremembered by reason of having the lowest of qualities and attributes since at his beginning, he was not created perfect. he was created inanimate, dead. He neither heard, saw, felt, moved, spoke, touched, perceived, or knew. He began by his death before his life, by weakness before his strength, by ignorance before knowledge, by blindness before sight, by deafness before hearing, by dumbness before speech, by misguidance before guidance, by poverty before wealth, and by incapacity before capacity.

it goes on to say....

Allah created him like that at the beginning. Then Allah was gracious to him (man) and said, "We made the way easy for him." This indicates what He wills for him during the period from life to death. Similarly, He said, "of a sperm-drop, a mingling, trying him. We made him hearing, seeing. We guided him on the way." The meaning here is that He gave him life after he was inanimate and dead - first from the earth, and then from a sperm-drop. He gave him hearing after he was deaf and He gave him sight after he lacked sight. He gave him strenght after weakness and knowledge after ignorance. He created his limbs for him with all they contain of marvels and signs after he lacked them. He enriched them after poverty, made him full after hunger, clothed him after nakedness, and guided him after misguidance. Look how He directed him and formed him. Look at how He made the way easy for him. Look at man's overstepping and at how thankless he is. Look at man's ignorance and how he shows it.

further it says....

He first acquainted him with his baseness and said, "Was he not a sperm-drop extracted? Then he was a blood-clot. Then He mentioned His favour and said, "He created and fashioned and made a pair from it, male and female," in order to perpetuate his existence by reproduction as his existence was acquired in the beginning by original formation. When you begin in this manner and your states are like this, how can you have arrogance, pride, glory, and conceit? Properly speaking, man is the lowest of the low and the weakest of the weak. Indeed, even if He had perfecteed him, delegated his command to him and made his existence go on by his own choice, he would still dare to be insolent and would forget his beginning and his end. However, during your existence, He has given illnesses power over you, whether you like it or not, and whether you are content or enraged. You become hungry and thirsty without being able to do anything about it. You do not possess any power to bring either harm or benefit. You ant to know something but you remain ignorant of it. You want to remember something and yet you forget it. You want to not forget something and yet you do forget it. You want to direct your heart to waht concerns it and yet you are caught up in the valleys of whispersings and thoughts. You own neither your heart nor your self. You desire something while your destruction may be in it, and you detest something while your life may be in it. You find some foods delicious when they destroy and kill you, and you find remedies repugnant when they help you and save you. You are not safe for a moment, day or night. Your sight, knowledge, and power may be stripped away, your limbs may become semi-paralysed, your intellect may be stolen away, your ruh may be snatched away, and all that you love in this world may be taken from you. You are hard-pressed, abased. If you are left alone, you go on. If you are snatched away, you are annihilated. A mere slave. A chattel. You have no power over yourself or anyone else. What can be more abased? If you recognise yourself, how can you think yourself worthy of pride? If it were not for your ignorance - and this is your immediate state - you would reflect on it. Your end is death. It is indicated by His word, "Then He makes him die and buries him. Then, when He wills, He raises him." The meaning here is that your ruh, hearing, sight, knowledge, power, senses, perception, and movement are all stripped away. You revert to the inanimate as you were in the first place. Only the shape of your limbs remains. Your form has neither senses nor movement. Then you are placed in the earth and your limbs decay. You become absent after you existed. You become as if you were not, as you were at first for a long period of time. Then a man wishes that he could remain like that. How excellent it would be if he were left as dust! However, after a long time, He brings him back to life to subject him to a severe trial. He comes out of his grave after his spearated parts are joined together, and he steps out to the terrors of the Rising. He is told, "Come quickly to the Reckoning and prepare for the Outcome!" His heart stops in fear and panic when he is faced with the terror of these words even before his pages are spread out and he sees his shameful actions in them. This is the end of his affair. It is the meaning of His word, "Then when He wishes, He raises him."

How can anyone whose state this is be arrogant?

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subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You).
Ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be
worshipped except You). Astaghfiruka

  

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are human beings more powerful than god? [View all] , BarTek, Mon Mar-14-05 11:44 PM
 
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ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 14th 2005
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RE: ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 15th 2005
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      Interesting
Mar 15th 2005
6
      RE: Interesting
Mar 18th 2005
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           RE: Interesting
Mar 18th 2005
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                RE: Interesting
Mar 20th 2005
82
      RE: ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 18th 2005
72
Dude, you just blew my mind!
Mar 15th 2005
3
RE: lol
Mar 15th 2005
4
RE: lol
Mar 15th 2005
5
hmmm...i never thought about that...
Mar 15th 2005
11
RE: Dude, you just blew my mind!
Mar 15th 2005
25
might be an atheist perspective....
Mar 15th 2005
7
cosign
Mar 15th 2005
20
yeah same here
Mar 17th 2005
50
well said!
Mar 15th 2005
35
Predict my response..........
Mar 15th 2005
8
great response
Mar 15th 2005
17
Jesus was tempted by the devil, so the capacity
Mar 15th 2005
9
RE: Jesus was human...
Mar 16th 2005
38
      We Christians believe Jesus is God
Mar 16th 2005
41
           Uh oh...
Mar 17th 2005
51
                Next time you bump into these folks ask them to interpret these
Mar 17th 2005
57
                     RE: Next time you bump into these folks ask them to interpret these
Mar 17th 2005
60
                          There isn't a distinction between Jesus and God in those verses
Mar 17th 2005
67
                               RE: There isn't a distinction between Jesus and God in those verses
Mar 17th 2005
68
                                    Again, you've only established a relationship between two
Mar 18th 2005
73
                                         But this isn't what your post is about
Mar 18th 2005
74
Why does God have to be good?
Mar 15th 2005
10
Humans invented God
Mar 15th 2005
12
RE: Humans invented God
Mar 15th 2005
14
lol...
Mar 15th 2005
23
hrm?
Mar 15th 2005
13
I hear you, but...until a Human can
Mar 15th 2005
15
they do it millions of times a year, it's call sex.......
Mar 15th 2005
19
      really...on what Planet can I find you and that conduct?
Mar 15th 2005
21
           yes, this is what you are missing.....
Mar 15th 2005
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           oh yey...got 1500 posts to show I REALLY missed that...
Mar 16th 2005
46
           Earth.
Mar 17th 2005
52
                I would call that modifying/maintaining a productive nature...
Mar 18th 2005
75
Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
16
RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
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      RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
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           RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 16th 2005
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                RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 16th 2005
44
come on now
Mar 15th 2005
22
no, we are not.
Mar 15th 2005
24
What the hell are you talking about?
Mar 15th 2005
26
the fundemental flaw...
Mar 15th 2005
28
RE: the fundemental flaw...
Mar 16th 2005
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      RE: the fundemental flaw...
Mar 16th 2005
45
           RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 16th 2005
47
                RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
48
                     RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
53
                          zuh?
Mar 17th 2005
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                          RE: zuh?
Mar 17th 2005
59
                               fine
Mar 17th 2005
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                                    RE: fine
Mar 17th 2005
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                                         God knows evil, for God created evil.
Mar 18th 2005
76
                          RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                               RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
61
                                    RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
65
                                         RE: ironically, i think..
Mar 17th 2005
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                                              RE: ironically, i think..
Mar 18th 2005
78
depends on how you qualify 'god'
Mar 15th 2005
29
human beings can become more powerful than god
Mar 15th 2005
31
RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 15th 2005
32
that was just out right plain ignorant
Mar 15th 2005
33
why,exactly?
Mar 17th 2005
49
      RE: yes, i'd like to know too...
Mar 17th 2005
54
          
                Ameen.
Mar 17th 2005
64
                that aint proof, that's islamic rhetoric....
Mar 19th 2005
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                     It's the TRUTH.
Mar 21st 2005
86
                          It's NOT the TRUTH... it's YOUR opinion...
Mar 21st 2005
87
                               It's the revelation of Allah. Period!
Mar 21st 2005
88
                                    the point is that quotes from religious doctrine aren't proof of anythin...
Mar 21st 2005
89
                                         yet you still make no point
Mar 21st 2005
90
                                              i dont like 2 argue with religious ppl
Mar 22nd 2005
92
                                                   I don't care for arguing either
Mar 22nd 2005
93
Powerful enough to CREATE God
Mar 15th 2005
34
where did this come from
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: where did this come from
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 16th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 16th 2005
43
RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 18th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 18th 2005
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do u realize you rendered ur opinion null and void.
Mar 19th 2005
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      RE: was that to me? i'd like to respond..peace.
Mar 20th 2005
83
           no....i pretty much mirror ur views
Mar 20th 2005
85
                RE: cool, cuz..
Mar 21st 2005
91
god cant be evil?
Mar 20th 2005
81
RE: god cant be evil?
Mar 20th 2005
84
      RE: god cant be evil?
Mar 22nd 2005
94

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