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BarTek
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69. "RE: Interesting"
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Fri Mar-18-05 12:41 AM by BarTek

  

          

>So basically your saying that because we are the key tool in
>destroying evil or good that this particular position places
>us above Satan and God(because we could be used as tools to
>destroy either). I'm inclined to think that maybe you could
>argue that the combined force of both the Negative or Positive
>and the key tool is greater than the negative or positive
>force alone.

I agree 100%. It may be difficult to incorporate and understand that living in total goodness, or what one may percieve as total goodness, may be damaging to soul/energy/body/mind/etc etc. I think, it's much more difficult to live a balanced and seemingly heavenly life if one is stationary and stedfast in their existence. I have met some that travel, both land and mental plane, investigate many ideas, and allow their personal ideal to evolve, and therefore, live in seeming and happy balance, not being restrained by "evil". However for some, and many times previously me too, and I'm sure in the future again, as one reaches a level of purity and goodness, it is difficult to maintain that state, in a world, that is distracting from peace. However, the detachment from purity and goodness, which any dual being has to face and accept, may be too difficult. We are in a state of flux/war, so it is easier to remain in a state of angst/anxiety than it is peace. If the program was PEACE, we would be peaceful.

Humans alone are still clean slates waiting for
>influence like a rowboat in an ocean.

I agree but, that depends on who is going to influence the flow. I don't think God will, so we are waiting and accepting a certain course for nothing if we continue to wait for that.

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>My theory: God is all and emcompasses the absolute "nadir" (if
>you choose to look at it that way) of existence, which is
>Evil(Satan), as well as the greatest good(Christ). God is
>absolute good, evil, and everything else that "exists". Every
>atom is apart of a system that is God. Thus God can experience
>duality because, the nature of God, both good and evil, is
>dualistic.

I don't think nature is dualistic, as animals show us that some kill, and some die, in order to maintain the life cycle. Human beings kill in order to satisfy greed. I think there is a difference, and I think the actual term 'dualistic' should be applied with more care. We cannot simply sweep everything into a nutshell and call it Nature, or 'God' because 'Nature', and 'God' are two very different things. God is a social construct, which constructs norms, beliefs, value's. And Nature, is an eco construct, which constructs natural process and the motion of blood in the body. Nature is universal, and culture (norms, beliefs, value's) is subjective. Meaning, nature is universal as a man in an igloo, will investigate, and construct his habitat, just as a man in china will, however, the difference in that construction, is influenced by SOCIAL inclination, or subjective norms, beliefs, and values. In that sense, God is a subjective being, that is portrayed as an Objective Omnipotent being, that encompasses all which I think is incorrect. Perhaps, Nature encompasses God, and God, just as us is contained by something, truly beyond comprehension and actually omnipotent. God is subjective, because God affects all levels of human life and society, however, it does not govern Animals, as by our standards, animals are not even allowed to go enter the same heaven. Clearly, even in our own social construct, we have ironically proven that Nature and God are two different things, and perhaps all that I just said, is the natural process that can be found between the two, a natural relationship, that neither GOD, nor Nature understands. Such as a positive charge, and a negative charge. However, we are human beings, and thus we are on a plane, that is the see saw between the two. I think if we continue to wait for nature or god, we will never attain peace, or the balance between duality.

peace.
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If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack
Maybe you'll love me when I fade to black
If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack
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are human beings more powerful than god? [View all] , BarTek, Mon Mar-14-05 11:44 PM
 
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ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 14th 2005
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RE: ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 15th 2005
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      Interesting
Mar 15th 2005
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           RE: Interesting
Mar 18th 2005
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                RE: Interesting
Mar 20th 2005
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      RE: ummm....Let's assume what you're saying is true.
Mar 18th 2005
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Dude, you just blew my mind!
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: lol
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: lol
Mar 15th 2005
5
hmmm...i never thought about that...
Mar 15th 2005
11
RE: Dude, you just blew my mind!
Mar 15th 2005
25
might be an atheist perspective....
Mar 15th 2005
7
cosign
Mar 15th 2005
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yeah same here
Mar 17th 2005
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well said!
Mar 15th 2005
35
Predict my response..........
Mar 15th 2005
8
great response
Mar 15th 2005
17
Jesus was tempted by the devil, so the capacity
Mar 15th 2005
9
RE: Jesus was human...
Mar 16th 2005
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      We Christians believe Jesus is God
Mar 16th 2005
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           Uh oh...
Mar 17th 2005
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                Next time you bump into these folks ask them to interpret these
Mar 17th 2005
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                     RE: Next time you bump into these folks ask them to interpret these
Mar 17th 2005
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                          There isn't a distinction between Jesus and God in those verses
Mar 17th 2005
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                               RE: There isn't a distinction between Jesus and God in those verses
Mar 17th 2005
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                                    Again, you've only established a relationship between two
Mar 18th 2005
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                                         But this isn't what your post is about
Mar 18th 2005
74
Why does God have to be good?
Mar 15th 2005
10
Humans invented God
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: Humans invented God
Mar 15th 2005
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lol...
Mar 15th 2005
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hrm?
Mar 15th 2005
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I hear you, but...until a Human can
Mar 15th 2005
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they do it millions of times a year, it's call sex.......
Mar 15th 2005
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      really...on what Planet can I find you and that conduct?
Mar 15th 2005
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           yes, this is what you are missing.....
Mar 15th 2005
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           oh yey...got 1500 posts to show I REALLY missed that...
Mar 16th 2005
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           Earth.
Mar 17th 2005
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                I would call that modifying/maintaining a productive nature...
Mar 18th 2005
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Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
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      RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 15th 2005
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           RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 16th 2005
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                RE: Heck no *Edit*
Mar 16th 2005
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come on now
Mar 15th 2005
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no, we are not.
Mar 15th 2005
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What the hell are you talking about?
Mar 15th 2005
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the fundemental flaw...
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: the fundemental flaw...
Mar 16th 2005
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      RE: the fundemental flaw...
Mar 16th 2005
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           RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 16th 2005
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                RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                     RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                          zuh?
Mar 17th 2005
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                          RE: zuh?
Mar 17th 2005
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                               fine
Mar 17th 2005
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                                    RE: fine
Mar 17th 2005
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                                         God knows evil, for God created evil.
Mar 18th 2005
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                          RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                               RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                                    RE: 'God does not play dice with the universe' (c) Einstein..peace nm
Mar 17th 2005
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                                         RE: ironically, i think..
Mar 17th 2005
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                                              RE: ironically, i think..
Mar 18th 2005
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depends on how you qualify 'god'
Mar 15th 2005
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human beings can become more powerful than god
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 15th 2005
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that was just out right plain ignorant
Mar 15th 2005
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why,exactly?
Mar 17th 2005
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      RE: yes, i'd like to know too...
Mar 17th 2005
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           because we are mankind and he is Allah
Mar 17th 2005
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                Ameen.
Mar 17th 2005
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                that aint proof, that's islamic rhetoric....
Mar 19th 2005
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                     It's the TRUTH.
Mar 21st 2005
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                          It's NOT the TRUTH... it's YOUR opinion...
Mar 21st 2005
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                               It's the revelation of Allah. Period!
Mar 21st 2005
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                                    the point is that quotes from religious doctrine aren't proof of anythin...
Mar 21st 2005
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                                         yet you still make no point
Mar 21st 2005
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                                              i dont like 2 argue with religious ppl
Mar 22nd 2005
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                                                   I don't care for arguing either
Mar 22nd 2005
93
Powerful enough to CREATE God
Mar 15th 2005
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where did this come from
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: where did this come from
Mar 15th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 16th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 16th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 18th 2005
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RE: are human beings more powerful than god?
Mar 18th 2005
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do u realize you rendered ur opinion null and void.
Mar 19th 2005
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      RE: was that to me? i'd like to respond..peace.
Mar 20th 2005
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           no....i pretty much mirror ur views
Mar 20th 2005
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                RE: cool, cuz..
Mar 21st 2005
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god cant be evil?
Mar 20th 2005
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RE: god cant be evil?
Mar 20th 2005
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      RE: god cant be evil?
Mar 22nd 2005
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