>- well let's look at that: how do you stop the spread of aids?
>what can be done outside of what the GOVT/CDC has already
>done? AIDS awareness programs and articles are literally
>EVERYWHERE. I cant name the last time i didnt open a
>magazine/newspaper and didnt see an ad on AIDS, turn on the
>net and not see a pop up or ad for a site on AIDS awareness,
>tv commercials, radio spots...Aids awareness is literally
>everywhere its unavoidable in this country as it should be.
>now, what do you want next? for there to be people with latex
>gloves going around peoples apartments and pulling men out
>before they spread the virus!? not trying to be funny or make
>light of it but im really asking you what is next!?. there is
>literally NOTHING you can do about the AIDS problem other than
>talk and give out info. this horse has been just staring at
>the water for over a decade now...hell, last month when that
>new disease popped up in the gay community, the health
>official just came out and said "dont put anything up your
>butt that doesnt have latex on it"...its time we got raw and
>real with our own people like that. surely u dont disagree.

You're right on this point. The problem with my argument was that I wasn't clear about what I meant when I first posted, so when I was confronted as you did, my argument fell apart. So I can't argue with you on this, it's the truth.

With that said, allow me to try to restate my disagreement with black conservatives. When I spoke of "embracing their culture," what I was trying to say Black Conservatives, it seems, have gone to far in embracing American individualism.

They look at how white people have behaved in that respect, and assume that Black people should do the same thing. And their not wrong in saying that any single person can have success in America, that's obvious to anybody. However, totally embracing indivdualism, IMO, would be a mistake. We have to be concerned about the welfare of oursleves as a group. That how a minority succeeds: they turn their small numbers and isolation, things that could be disadvantages, into advantages. I don't think Black Conservatives see the value in this.


Are you contradicting yourself? Explain this, first you say this:

>- I hear you, but its kind of hard to to follow up when the
>community doesnt believe in your message to begin with.

then you say this:

>- I could link you up to an article online where john
>mcwhorter got up in front of a group of people and went into
>his "thing" and it pissed the black folks off. after a little
>while the people began to hear him and they were knodding
>their heads yes (of course u had your "activists" in the room)
>but for the most part the audience agreed...the problem wasn't
>his MESSAGE, it was that he was saying it above a whisper and
>into a microphone.

So is this problem the "message", or isn't it?

Send me that article though, I vaguely remeber hearing someing about that.

I mean think about it, when was the last
>time a black liberal/nationalist "leader" directly confronted
>a black conservative on issues concerning the black community?

PLEASE don't confuse Black Liberals and Black Nationalists. The Black Nationalist wants Black people to exercise economic, political, and social control over the Black community. IMO, Black nationalism is not itself a solution, it's the point we need to get to before we're even in a position to impliment realistic solutions.

Black Liberals, on the other hand, doesn't think Black People can solve their own problems. They naively think that the Government can solve our problems (or would ever want to, even if they could). Their biggest mistake is that, even if liberal solutions could solve the problems of the Black community, you're not even in the position to demand that the government do so until you have political, economic, and social control over your own community.

>jesse has them on his show all the time and they can NEVER
>argue his POINTS, they just call him names or hang the phone
>up on him. its hillarious to hear but disturbing at the same
>time. when i first heard jesse peterson i wanted to dismiss
>that man with all my heart, but i couldnt (cant) ignore the
>fact that nobody to this day has been able to shut down his
>arguments about the black community (maybe his undying love
>for white people and the republican party but on our
>community!? flawless.)

Who has hed had on there?

...all they can do is make fun of how he
>talks and call him "uncle tom"...

LOL, I have to admit, I laugh every time he says "RE-PUB-ER-KIN."
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