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57. "You're missing the point"
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Until you see how the corporate machine works on the inside, and start considering issues dealing with investor confidence, sales growth, increases in earnings from one year to the next, trying to find a way to boost the bottom line (again relating to investors and capital), so that the markets don't react adversely.....you can't get an accurate picture of how companies work and the issues they face.......and the things I mentioned are the tip of the iceberg.

Perhaps I was wrong by calling it "The Real World" perhaps I should call it the "Real Business World".

Being aware of poor people, people without health care, people struggling to get by...does not give on sufficient insight into the corporate machine...particularly since you want to change it. I've yet to see see people who call for same things you do, that have first hand knowledge of corporations from the inside. Because if you had first hand knowledge, you'd realize that some of the things you want are unrealistic.

Layoffs, downsizing, job cuts, mergers, shifting work to foreign countries....are all sad parts of the corporate life. It's unfortunate, but they're neccessary for the long term health of the corporation. You don't want to believe that because of the people it hurts, or because it would be better for people towards the bottom of the economic ladder. But it's still neccessary.

Corporations are not social welfare organziations, they were started for the purpose of making a profit. No one starts a company thinking about the people they could employ.

I'm not against the idea of Unions, I'm against the practice. In my mind Unions should merely represent the workers and make sure they get paid fairly, they get the proper benefits and that they have safe work environments. BUT, Unions want to dictate how the company is run, what materials are used, where areas the company can do business, if the company can let lay people off if they no longer need them, heck if the Union had their way..the people they represent would get paid more then the people that actually run the company!

If you ask me, Unions should stop at work enviroments, benefits and wages...and let the company run itself. If they are layoffs, you have a severence package that is part of the deal and leave it alone..you accept that layoffs are part of business.

Currently there isn't a consultants Union, (although I hear rumblings of people trying to create one ) Quite frankly, I hope it stays that way. It would only get in the way of progres and I think it would hurt us in the long run. Autoworkers get more money (in terms of % of salary) then I do, when I have down time...so it would help me $ wise, if there was a Union...BUT, in terms of career opportunities and industry progress...I think it's a bad idea.

I don't want to see an IT union either, I hope to god I never see one. A common thread through all the assignments I have, is that I'm trying to make a Business Process more efficient: re-engineering a software app, replace an existing software with a better one, supply chain efficiencies, help turn around the operational efficiency/competency of an IT shop, etc.

To do that, I have to reccomend new technologies, evaluate personnel, decide who needs to go, who can be re-trained, etc. It's hard enough to convince a company to invest in the short term costs of re-engineering their IT Business Process/Technologies, (Businesses can rarely see long term benefits with tech, but that's neither here nor there) but it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to do it if we have to give them 12 months of severence pay, can only layoff X number of people and/or can only use certain technologies, the workers have a say in what technologies we can use, the workers are trying to control how the company outsources things. <shudder>


Anyway, I've said my piece.



Peace,




M2



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The "Less Fortunate" [View all] , Expertise, Sat Apr-07-01 03:24 PM
 
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My Thoughts
Apr 07th 2001
1
RE: My Thoughts
Apr 08th 2001
14
      What In Hell?!
Apr 08th 2001
15
let
Apr 08th 2001
2
let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
3
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
5
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
16
      what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
60
           RE: what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
61
RE: The "Less Fortunate"
Apr 08th 2001
4
Comments
Apr 08th 2001
6
      RE: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
7
      Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
10
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
17
           Quick Comments
Apr 09th 2001
22
                but...
Apr 09th 2001
24
                RE: but...
Apr 09th 2001
27
                Ha.
Apr 10th 2001
30
                     More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
36
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
48
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
52
                               RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
56
                          Funny
Apr 11th 2001
51
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 09th 2001
20
      Addendum...
Apr 08th 2001
8
      your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
9
      RE: your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
11
           indeed
Apr 08th 2001
12
                oh great
Apr 08th 2001
13
                don't worry!
Apr 09th 2001
18
                RE: indeed
Apr 09th 2001
28
                     i'm not like that
Apr 09th 2001
29
      Hold up
Apr 09th 2001
19
           Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
21
                RE: Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
23
                     Before you open your mouth.......
Apr 09th 2001
25
                     Any other College Grads
Apr 09th 2001
26
                          never said..
Apr 10th 2001
31
                          Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
32
                               Question:
Apr 10th 2001
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                               RE: Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
34
                                    Silly Negroe
Apr 10th 2001
39
                                         Excuse me
Apr 10th 2001
40
                                         Good Luck Then.......
Apr 10th 2001
43
                                         That's just sad......
Apr 10th 2001
41
                                              This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
44
                                                   RE: This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
45
                          ...jesus.
Apr 10th 2001
35
                          Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
37
                               RE: Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
38
                                    Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
42
                                         RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
47
                                              RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 11th 2001
54
                                                   Bullshit.
Apr 11th 2001
55
                                                       
                                                             RE: You're missing the point
Apr 12th 2001
59
                          RE: Any other College Grads
McHottie
Apr 10th 2001
46
                               i love this girl
Apr 10th 2001
49
                               That is what
Apr 11th 2001
50
                               RE: That is what
Apr 11th 2001
53
                                    Agreed...
Apr 12th 2001
58
                                    RE: That is what
Apr 15th 2001
64
                               Thank GOD!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
63
BOO HISS!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
62
View from the outside
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 15th 2001
65
Terrific debate. Gonna have to be upped AGAIN!
Mar 09th 2005
66
so...is White-Racism a hallucination...re: The "Less Fortunate"?
Mar 10th 2005
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