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1. "My Thoughts"
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-Liberals often present success as the result of Good Luck and being "less fortunate" as the result of Bad Luck.

-Conservatives present success as being an achiever and being "less fortunate" as the result of Bad Choices.

Both perspectives are not entirely correct. To be successful you do need to work hard, you also need a "little" luck. Furthermore, you may/may not need a little help.

Can I honestly say that the success I've had in life to this point isn't the result of how my parents raised me? The lessons they taught me? My father having me read the Wall St. Journal since I was 5? How about the computers? The subscriptions to Business Week and Popular Science? How about college? All I had to do was get in, while other kids had to worry about coming up with the money.

As someone who considers themselves an "achiever" I feel I can say that I've gotten to where I am through my own determination and hard work. BUT, I had help along the way that put in a position to achieve in the first place.

The vast majority of poor people were born poor, therefore they're just following in the foot steps of their parents. They may make a few bad decisions, but all in all they're just imitating their parents. Some may escape, but as you said Expertise...they're the exception to the norm.

Looking at my friends who are doing well right now, they almost all came from families who were doing well. (High School & College) Same thing when I'm talking to my colleagues about their backgrounds. The couple that are poor can pretty much always point to someone who helped them along the way: A Wealtheir relative, a pastor, a teacher,

The point is that it's very rare for middle class children to go backwards and end up poor, furthermore it's not quite as rare but let's say it happens in less then 15% of all cases for Poor people to end up Middle Class or Rich.

This means that where you come from has a real bearing on your success, it may not be the utltimate determinate, but it has some affect. The people around you, your environment, family, etc...all real factors.

It's no wonder my friends who came from 6 figure income households, are heading in that direction or already there....and the ones that didn't...see that as almost impossible...while to my other friends...it's just normal.

This means that poor people aren't entirely the result of bad choices and that successful ones aren't entirely the result of making good ones. It's very rare for a person to be successful, or unsuccesful just based on their smarts or lack thereoff.

Neither the conservative or liberal stance towards success or failure recognizes this. The truth of the matter is somewhere in between both stance(s).


Poverty:

Too often, people look at the Welfare recepient with a TV and claim that they're not poor or not as poor as others may think. I think that this is a load of CRAP, TV and VCRs are not luxuries in America. The amount of money that Welfare recepients get is a pittance, with which they can barely feed themselves on....so what if they have a VCR...they ain't got isht besides that. $300 worth of electronics are their most valuable possessions.

To me, a poor person is someone for whom their current financial situation presents them buying a home. (You only need to make 25k/year to buy a house) A poor person can't buy a decent car....I'm not talkin about a Benz either...you can lease a Honda Civic for nothing down and $199/month. New clothes? No.....vacations? No......savings? No.....

To me, poor people are those who financial situation will prevent them from every owning any property, saving any money or building up any significant assets, regardless of how they earn their money. E.g. You make $20,000/yr...you can't buy a house...you can barely get a used car....you have to support a family...you can barely pay bills.....that person is poor. SO what if they have a TV? If the most valuable thing you have cost $300.......you're for damn sure poor.....

Rich.....well that just means you have money that works for you. So what if you make $350k/year.....you can build a net worth of 1 million pretty easily. (you could with a 1/3 of that...but that's another story ) I think being rich means that you can use your money to build up rather significant assets, and fairly easily. Poor means you have no chance of doing that..and Middle Class...means you can build some assets....but not as well as a rich person...


I'm out



M2







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The "Less Fortunate" [View all] , Expertise, Sat Apr-07-01 03:24 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: My Thoughts
Apr 08th 2001
14
      What In Hell?!
Apr 08th 2001
15
let
Apr 08th 2001
2
let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
3
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
5
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
16
      what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
60
           RE: what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
61
RE: The "Less Fortunate"
Apr 08th 2001
4
Comments
Apr 08th 2001
6
      RE: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
7
      Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
10
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
17
           Quick Comments
Apr 09th 2001
22
                but...
Apr 09th 2001
24
                RE: but...
Apr 09th 2001
27
                Ha.
Apr 10th 2001
30
                     More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
36
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
48
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
52
                               RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
56
                          Funny
Apr 11th 2001
51
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 09th 2001
20
      Addendum...
Apr 08th 2001
8
      your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
9
      RE: your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
11
           indeed
Apr 08th 2001
12
                oh great
Apr 08th 2001
13
                don't worry!
Apr 09th 2001
18
                RE: indeed
Apr 09th 2001
28
                     i'm not like that
Apr 09th 2001
29
      Hold up
Apr 09th 2001
19
           Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
21
                RE: Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
23
                     Before you open your mouth.......
Apr 09th 2001
25
                     Any other College Grads
Apr 09th 2001
26
                          never said..
Apr 10th 2001
31
                          Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
32
                               Question:
Apr 10th 2001
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                               RE: Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
34
                                    Silly Negroe
Apr 10th 2001
39
                                         Excuse me
Apr 10th 2001
40
                                         Good Luck Then.......
Apr 10th 2001
43
                                         That's just sad......
Apr 10th 2001
41
                                              This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
44
                                                   RE: This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
45
                          ...jesus.
Apr 10th 2001
35
                          Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
37
                               RE: Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
38
                                    Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
42
                                         RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
47
                                              RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 11th 2001
54
                                                   Bullshit.
Apr 11th 2001
55
                                                        You're missing the point
Apr 11th 2001
57
                                                             RE: You're missing the point
Apr 12th 2001
59
                          RE: Any other College Grads
McHottie
Apr 10th 2001
46
                               i love this girl
Apr 10th 2001
49
                               That is what
Apr 11th 2001
50
                               RE: That is what
Apr 11th 2001
53
                                    Agreed...
Apr 12th 2001
58
                                    RE: That is what
Apr 15th 2001
64
                               Thank GOD!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
63
BOO HISS!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
62
View from the outside
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 15th 2001
65
Terrific debate. Gonna have to be upped AGAIN!
Mar 09th 2005
66
so...is White-Racism a hallucination...re: The "Less Fortunate"?
Mar 10th 2005
67

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