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"The "Less Fortunate""


  

          

This is a two-part thread.

Let's look at the first issue, the word "fortunate" itself. Dictionary.com defines fortunate as....

for·tu·nate (fôrch-nt)
adj.

1.Bringing something good and unforeseen; auspicious.
2.Having unexpected good fortune; lucky.

Therefore, if you are describing low-income earners as "less fortunate" (a term devised by Democrats and leftists alike I may add), it implies they simply were not lucky in life, instead of partially being victim of the decisions that they made in their own lives.

Does the contrary ring true as well? Does that mean the ones who actually achieved and succeeded only done so because they were "lucky" and didn't work their ass off and make the decisions they needed to in order to accomplish what they have in life? This actually has been a thought that has been going around sometime, as a year or two ago Senator Tom Daschle (D-South Dakota) referred to high achievers as "Those who have won life's lottery". Is that how people actually percieve every financially independent person, as someone who was just "fortunate" to be in the spot they are in today, like picking a lottery number?

Of course there are people out there in this world that were born into the decrepit situations they are in, as well as there are people in this world that were born "with a silver spoon". But of course, rarely has it been stated nowadays of people that come from poor conditions and a harmful environment that have become the exception of the norm and made their way to the top and become high-achievers. Likewise, there have been people that were born in luxury that have taken a hard fall while being rich, and have either ended up in jail or have lost a fortune (some might be facing the latter on Wall Street now). In this society do we try to educate people that it is possible to transfer yourself from either situation, granted that you make decisions supportive of success or failure? Do we actually live by the term, "Life is 10% of what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it.", or do we sit around miserably or even naively thinking that we live in a virtual caste system, and our situations, especially black people, will never change no matter what we do?

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The second part of this thread seeks to question the standard of "poverty".

What can actually be called poverty? What conditions and standards must be applied in order for someone to be called "poor", specifically in these United States?

M2 and I have had this conversation before over at the old Boondocks site, but never with you guys. I think when we tend to think of people that are "rich", we tend to think of multi-millionaires, mostly white, with mansions and rolls royces, limosines, etc. However, the IRS and politicians knowingly call someone that is making around $350,000/yr rich. Why? Because they are classified as the top 1% of wage-earners, aka to leftists "the greedy, filthy rich".

Same with the poor. When we think of the poor, we tend to think of people living in sub-normal shelter and conditions. We think of homeless people. We think of people that dont have any food, wear dirty clothes, parents with no jobs, and children that go hungry. I honestly think that when a majority of you think of the "poor and the less fortunate", you think of something simular to watching the infomercial "Save The Children".

But is that actually realistic more often than not to the "poor" in the US? Sure, there are isolated spots in this country in which there are people that are indeed in need of help, such as Appalacia, but are all poor seen in the same standard? Can all welfare recipients be classified as poor, even though they have the luxuries that most people in America have: televisions, phones, VCR's, etc? There is a television in 99% of the homes in the United States; 98% of those televisions are color. However, the "poverty rate" in America is supposed to be 10%, and hasn't dropped in the last 40 years. There are people in other nations that have never seen a television; in fact they would amazed at the sight of chewing gum.

Hence, is your idea of poverty in America for the most part (emphasis on most part) an illusion? Or are you actually taking the luxuries that they happen to possess in consideration?

Just thought I'd make you guys think this weekend...




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The "Less Fortunate" [View all] , Expertise, Sat Apr-07-01 03:24 PM
 
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My Thoughts
Apr 07th 2001
1
RE: My Thoughts
Apr 08th 2001
14
      What In Hell?!
Apr 08th 2001
15
let
Apr 08th 2001
2
let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
3
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
5
RE: let's get macy gray
Apr 08th 2001
16
      what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
60
           RE: what "cultural traits" are keeping people poor?
Apr 13th 2001
61
RE: The "Less Fortunate"
Apr 08th 2001
4
Comments
Apr 08th 2001
6
      RE: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
7
      Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
10
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 08th 2001
17
           Quick Comments
Apr 09th 2001
22
                but...
Apr 09th 2001
24
                RE: but...
Apr 09th 2001
27
                Ha.
Apr 10th 2001
30
                     More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
36
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 10th 2001
48
                          RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
52
                               RE: More crackpots
Apr 11th 2001
56
                          Funny
Apr 11th 2001
51
           RE: Re: Comments
Apr 09th 2001
20
      Addendum...
Apr 08th 2001
8
      your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
9
      RE: your number are shaky...
Apr 08th 2001
11
           indeed
Apr 08th 2001
12
                oh great
Apr 08th 2001
13
                don't worry!
Apr 09th 2001
18
                RE: indeed
Apr 09th 2001
28
                     i'm not like that
Apr 09th 2001
29
      Hold up
Apr 09th 2001
19
           Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
21
                RE: Where are you getting your numbers?
Apr 09th 2001
23
                     Before you open your mouth.......
Apr 09th 2001
25
                     Any other College Grads
Apr 09th 2001
26
                          never said..
Apr 10th 2001
31
                          Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
32
                               Question:
Apr 10th 2001
33
                               RE: Futhermore
Apr 10th 2001
34
                                    Silly Negroe
Apr 10th 2001
39
                                         Excuse me
Apr 10th 2001
40
                                         Good Luck Then.......
Apr 10th 2001
43
                                         That's just sad......
Apr 10th 2001
41
                                              This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
44
                                                   RE: This Cat..
Apr 10th 2001
45
                          ...jesus.
Apr 10th 2001
35
                          Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
37
                               RE: Are you guys on the PIPE!
Apr 10th 2001
38
                                    Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
42
                                         RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 10th 2001
47
                                              RE: Come back in five years.....
Apr 11th 2001
54
                                                   Bullshit.
Apr 11th 2001
55
                                                        You're missing the point
Apr 11th 2001
57
                                                             RE: You're missing the point
Apr 12th 2001
59
                          RE: Any other College Grads
McHottie
Apr 10th 2001
46
                               i love this girl
Apr 10th 2001
49
                               That is what
Apr 11th 2001
50
                               RE: That is what
Apr 11th 2001
53
                                    Agreed...
Apr 12th 2001
58
                                    RE: That is what
Apr 15th 2001
64
                               Thank GOD!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
63
BOO HISS!!!!
Apr 15th 2001
62
View from the outside
tohunga_whakapani
Apr 15th 2001
65
Terrific debate. Gonna have to be upped AGAIN!
Mar 09th 2005
66
so...is White-Racism a hallucination...re: The "Less Fortunate"?
Mar 10th 2005
67

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