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BooDaah
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27. "don't sell it short"
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>I don't even look to hip
>hop as a tool for
>revolution.

i disgree...and i think you do too (see below)

> I don't think anyone
>got it.

you'd be amazed. remember when you first learned the alphabet song. at first it was just catchy, but it planted the seed in your head abou the order of those letters. besides the folk around you may not have "got it", although i bet more did than you gie credit to, but i PERSONALLY know maany who did (some felt the recognition of a phenomenon they experienced, some wondered if such a thing really exists and were shocked when they found out it did. many will often miss the message, but if one "gets it" then that's better than nothing right. i mean YOU got it didn't you?


>Even at the highest heights of
>conscious hip hop, folks singing
>along, rocking the fashion, they
>still didn't get it.

those were the ones for whom it was just that the fashion. but i'd like to think that even if they didn't get it then that maybe something stuck and they got i now.


>Hip Hop for me, is a
>good segue for getting into
>deeper issues.

so then you do see it as a tool. this is my point. i look at hiphop the same way i look at a hammer. the hammer isn't goiing to build me a house. it's up to me to USE that hammer. I can use it a hundred different ways, some more efficient toward the goal than others, but that doesn't negate it's value as a tool.

>But as a tool to inspire
>people, put ideas in their
>heads...?

again the hammer isn't going to put the nail in the wall either, now is it?

>The average cat
>isn't looking for a sermon
>with his beats.

so preach to the non average cats and slip something in past the "average cats". remember "you must learn"? mad folk danced their behinds off and more than a few took the time to look up the people accociated with the names in the verses. it worked then, and it can work now. to say it won't without trying is defeatism. this music can reach millions. the same way it can make prada, coogi, hilfilger, cristal and a thousand other brands household words it can do the same with concepts a little less throwaway.

>It's escapism for blacks and browns.

On many insances youre absolutely right, but why not utilize it for more? It's like only using the phone book as a booster seat for your baby. There is a wealth of potential that is being ignored.

> Forget what you heard
>about Suburban Johnny have ghetto
>fantasies, ghetto Jamal and Miguel
>are having those dreams of
>being a gangsta.

Nah b, if only for the reason that you cannot exist in a world of 100% fantasy. Not only that but the thngs of fantasy have a reall sneaky way of becomeing the reality if you allow them to.

>And those 5% were already, ready
>to recieve.

so then give those 5% something they crave right?

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Too bad this wasn't posted here... [View all] , BooDaah, Tue Aug-01-00 06:03 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
I agree...
Aug 01st 2000
1
But don't get it twisted
Aug 01st 2000
3
      RE: But don't get it twisted
Aug 01st 2000
5
      Don't be talking bout my braids..
Aug 01st 2000
19
           actually
Aug 01st 2000
23
                what are we gonna do about it?
Aug 01st 2000
26
                    
regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 01st 2000
2
RE: regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 01st 2000
20
      RE: regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 10th 2000
65
Hip Hop has taken...
Shellypooh
Aug 01st 2000
4
What started this new trend anyway?
Aug 01st 2000
6
Selective memory
Aug 01st 2000
7
RE: Selective memory
Aug 01st 2000
9
Good point nay...
Aug 01st 2000
10
But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs
Aug 01st 2000
15
      Also, I see a lot of "we made it"
Aug 01st 2000
16
      What's an HSBC?
Aug 01st 2000
17
      Historically Black Colleges
Aug 01st 2000
18
           My bad
Aug 01st 2000
25
                I just hate the continued focus on "certain things"
Aug 02nd 2000
28
                     RE: I just hate the continued focus on
Aug 04th 2000
49
                          How easy we lie to ourselves
Aug 04th 2000
56
      RE: But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs
Aug 04th 2000
47
           RE: But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs
Aug 04th 2000
55
Finally
Aug 01st 2000
22
King Tee's "Bass"
Aug 01st 2000
21
Hip Hop
Aug 01st 2000
8
The sad thing is...
Aug 01st 2000
11
      Here's that detachment
Aug 01st 2000
13
      but you know how folk are....
Aug 01st 2000
14
      what is THE 10 pt program?
Aug 01st 2000
24
      K, the children are WATCHING &
Aug 10th 2000
66
           So why are y'all just limiting it to rappers
Aug 02nd 2000
30
           Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!
Aug 02nd 2000
33
                Only you can judge if you're doing the best you can
Aug 02nd 2000
35
                     To me it's not as much
Aug 03rd 2000
38
           The media are watching the children
Aug 02nd 2000
32
      I fear it too...
Aug 02nd 2000
34
RE: Too bad this wasn't posted here...
Quinn
Aug 01st 2000
12
*observing*
Wise_7
Aug 02nd 2000
29
      How many of us are starting programs?
Aug 02nd 2000
31
           Hip-hop
Aug 03rd 2000
36
                Hip Hop is not a gateway Drug
Aug 03rd 2000
37
How would yall feel.....
Aug 03rd 2000
39
RE: How would yall feel.....
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
40
      Please spare me the course
Aug 03rd 2000
41
           what is your real question?
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
42
                although i will admit
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
43
                Exactly
Aug 03rd 2000
44
                     Once again, nay
Aug 04th 2000
45
                          Maybe you think that calling black female addicts bitches
Aug 04th 2000
58
                          It should have read
Aug 04th 2000
60
                          It should have read
Aug 04th 2000
62
                               amen n/m
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
63
                          RE: Once again, nay
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
59
Do You People have
Aug 04th 2000
46
apparently not enough 4 u
Aug 04th 2000
48
Help!
Aug 04th 2000
50
let's see...
Aug 04th 2000
51
      Ah-ight.....
Aug 04th 2000
53
Ok I read it AGAIN
Aug 04th 2000
52
      well..
Aug 04th 2000
54
Did it ever occur to you
Aug 04th 2000
57
Oh what a Quiet World
Aug 04th 2000
61
RE: Oh what a Quiet World
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
64

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