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slave2tharhythm

Thu Aug-03-00 01:04 PM

  
27. "Everything you just said is bullshit"
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I'm not trying to come at you wild but I get angry when I hear people try to dissemble about the confederacy. Any symbol of the confederacy is and will always be a symbol of slavery. True the confederacy was fighting for states rights, the states rights to own slaves. If there was no slavery issue there would never have been a confederacy, slavery was the one and only issue that the north and south had to continuosly comprimise on. Maybe the confederacy would have ended slavery eventually but the fact of the matter is that slavery was still on the books when the confederacy went down, slavery was the reason for its creation, so therefore the confederacy will always till the end of the U.S. represent slavery.

>the US goverment has supported slavery
>since its inception and de facto slavery
>through segregation and Jim Crow Laws.

This argument conveniently glides over the fact that the US government only supported slavery at its inception because the damn slave states that made up the confederacy would not have formed a union without it. Thomas Jefferson, regardless of himself owning slaves, wanted to abolish slavery in the constitution but was overruled by the south. And the segregation and jim crow laws were overwhelmingly more manifest in the former confederate states than in the north. The north was always leaps and bounds ahead of the southern (confederate) states in terms of progressive legislation in race relations from many states allowing blacks to vote decades before the 14 and 15 amendments to pioneering integrated schools. The U.S. flag symbolized slavery as long as the confederate states were apart of it and pretty much ceased to be once they departed (the border states slavery days were already numbered ). It definitely ceased to be after the Gettysburgh address which redefined the war as a fight against slavery.

>Less than 10% of southerners owned slaves.
>Of that 10%, at least 2% of the slaveowners
>were African.

Those 10% slaveowners were the ones who controlled the state governments and made them secede. It is irrelevant if most of the confederate soldiers were poor and didn't own slaves. The majority of the Wermacht (German army) officers and soldiers were not nazis, but since the nazis controlled Germany, the Wermacht fought for the nazis. By the same token, those poor non-slaveholders were fighting for slavery whether they liked it or not. And why do people always seem to feel the need to point out that some blacks owned slaves? As if to say that validates it.

>It was a poor man's war, and thats what
>that battle flag truly represents.

No it was an oppressors' war and that is what the battle flag and all things confederate represent and will always represent. The U.S. might have represented slavery and oppression at one time, but it has moved and continues to move beyond that stigma. The confederacy can never remove itself of it.
Peace to Okayplayers

  

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Wear the CONFEDERATE FLAG! [View all] , nushooz, Thu Aug-10-00 10:35 AM
 
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Great idea!!
Aug 02nd 2000
1
Thanks, Uno
Aug 02nd 2000
4
to what end?
Aug 02nd 2000
2
Do it just to let them know
Aug 02nd 2000
3
      so you intend to flip it like...
Aug 02nd 2000
15
nu!
Aug 02nd 2000
5
Why do you think I'm hateful?????
Aug 02nd 2000
6
And actually.....
Aug 02nd 2000
7
      RE: And actually.....
Aug 02nd 2000
8
           Yo Nu, I'm with it!
Aug 02nd 2000
9
           That's what I'm talkin bout!!!!
Aug 02nd 2000
13
           No, Justice......
Aug 02nd 2000
10
                Easy
Aug 02nd 2000
14
                     RE: Easy
Aug 02nd 2000
16
                     Alright
Aug 02nd 2000
17
                          RE: Alright
Aug 02nd 2000
21
                               I APOLOGIZE!!!!!!
Aug 02nd 2000
23
                                    ENOUGH!!!!
Aug 02nd 2000
24
                     RE: Easy
Fletch
Aug 02nd 2000
18
                          RE: Easy
Aug 02nd 2000
19
                               RE: Easy
Fletch
Aug 02nd 2000
20
                                    RE: Easy
Aug 02nd 2000
22
                                         RE: Easy
Fletch
Aug 03rd 2000
26
didn't someone...
Aug 02nd 2000
11
Yes,
Aug 02nd 2000
12
They been around for years...
Aug 04th 2000
38
you might as well wear it....
Aug 02nd 2000
25
      hmmmmm......
Aug 03rd 2000
28
           TWO THANGS
d-Best
Aug 04th 2000
29
           Youre right
Aug 04th 2000
30
           please don't start that again
Aug 04th 2000
31
           ok
Aug 04th 2000
32
                oh yeah....
Aug 04th 2000
33
                     perhaps YOU'RE missing...
Aug 04th 2000
34
           Let me clarify myself
slave2tharhythm
Aug 04th 2000
36
Can we JUST
Aug 04th 2000
35
I mean this!
Aug 04th 2000
37
      Then Lets DO this!
Aug 07th 2000
40
Fuuuuuuuuck y'all...
Aug 04th 2000
39
'Scuze me?
Aug 14th 2000
48
i'd commit suicide first
Aug 10th 2000
41
RE: Wear the CONFEDERATE FLAG!
Aug 10th 2000
42
I am DEAD ASS
Aug 10th 2000
43
Hmmmm
Aug 10th 2000
44
RE: Wear the CONFEDERATE FLAG!
supanova
Aug 12th 2000
45
Supernova....
Aug 14th 2000
47
It's not going to happen.
Incognegro
Aug 14th 2000
46
Rather or not it will happen
Aug 14th 2000
49

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