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KoalaLove

Tue Aug-08-00 09:17 AM

  
66. "i wonder why..."
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"I'm kind of disappointed in KoLo on this one. You (KoLo) adamantly oppose all racialist theories and then defend your allegiance to your race? Silliness..."

I dont know how many times I have to explain this. Since the ideology of race as we know it is not based on biological or social sciences then it only exists as a matter of politics. As such i have prohibitted no one from believing or allying themselves with certain ideologies- I have only demonstrated what those ideologies are built on and that which they propose as their founding beliefs.

One more time people- I DO NOT CONSIDER "Black" as a race. My using a term that is colloquially (but not officially) correlated with race doesnt not necessitate that my allegiance is with race.

With that in mind it is crucial to my philosophy to understand the origins of any ideology that you subscribe to for self determination. In doing that the major discrepancy between "white" and "black" theory is obvious- they just dont come from the same place and they have large discrepancies as to how they regard each other- those comments can be extremist and prejudicial but what is undeniably valuable about these ideologies and what needs to be challenged is what each group demonstrates as its self-determination. "Whites" propogated the idea of race- Blacks at the most acknowledged that idea and determined how they would apply to it but to indicate that they believed in race is not correct.

At the heart of the matter "whites" determined themselves to be naturally and intellectually superior. They deemed us fit to be represented not as "black" which is a lateral term but as colored, negro, and nigger. If anyone wants to abide by that fine but the demeaning nature of this ideology is blatantly obvious and impossible to redeem.

"Blacks" determined themselves to be entitled to mutual respect and dignity, they determined themselves to be entitled to fair treatment and fair representation, they demanded to be allowed the opportunity to grow according to their own determination. They demanded to define themselves as Blacks (the lateral term) as opposed to other demeaning characterizations despite what the "White" system was determined to think of themselves and others.

As an ideology (and now im discussing the succint ideology of "Black pride"- the political stance not just the common understanding) Black pride never connoted that any other cultures were in any way inferior not even much common thought offers that idea. At the most Black theory only takes detailed account of the brutality and inconscienable acts commited by the "White" system and further celebrates Black pride and the Black community for overcoming paying particular salute to the heritage that carried us through.

Black does not regard itself as a matter of science as "White" does it only provides that if the "white" system must engage in false claims of human category then we will demand to be respected as having integrity independent of those claims.

The difference as I regard it is in the doctrine that puts forth these ideologies- as these examples can be directly challenged. A quick comparison will easily demonstrate two ends of the spectrum

as I said before

>The ultimate campaign of these ideologies is in one case supposed and practiced dominance and the other is equality and mutual respect.

in the presence of a society that campaigns for "whiteness" I will continue to campaign for Blackness as is stands defiantly against those premises. Whether you are disappointed or not it is an equal and opposite reaction to the willful suppression of the "White" system, it is made fair by the conditions of Black life it is justified by a struggle that still continues.

To say that Im Black- has nothing to do with race it has to do with community and culture- I think Ive been very adamant in demonstrating how unsubstantiated race is. I do not believe in race nor do i support or claim "allegiance" to it- as race professes a matter of inferiority among variant human beings, the Black theories and sentiments I subscribe to make no such claims and furthermore adamantly oppose the very nature of that idea.

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As for my skin color- yes i am proud of my skin; seeing as melanin has proven to be of great benefit to the human body I think we should all be proud of our skin color and work towards solving a reccurrent problem of severe albinism in human kind as a whole. So too am I proud of my broad nose- the features you mention are passed on to me by my mother and father and i love them both dearly. In this manner i am still proud of that which comprises me physically but havent said one word that correlates to race. (see how it works spirit?)

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"people think of "black" as a culture, which it is... as a consequence of racialism and racism... "

to think that Black culture only exists as a consequence of racialism and racism is horribly short sighted. Black culture is not just that by which we refer to ourselves as Black (which is generally the extent of white culture) it also highly regards our origins as africans and salutes several of the diverse african tradition that carried through slave culture. Even the fact that we call ourselves "Black" is not something suggested by race ideology- it is called Kugichagulia- self determination.

Is vodoo a result of racism or oppression- to some extent yes but to say that it is a consequence belittles the fact that it existed before and after racist suppression and as it exists today demonstrates quite obvioulsy how it existed beyond and survived throughout.

To say Black people act the way they do because of racism is a little too empowering on behalf of the ideology. To say that our culture is a consequence is inaccurate cuz several items (like dreadlocks and hairstyling for instance) exist well beyond the reach or imposition of racism. Furthermore this idea may put forth the idea that due to racism in America we are not entitled to claim that which made us Black previous to racism and thats just not fair.

As the idea of tribe made us African back then- so to does the idea of crews make us Black today; but the ideas of crews is not so much a consequence of racism as it is a flourishing demonstration of contemporary african tribalism and heritage.

If Black culture today was merely a consqeuence of racism we would still be in shackles. Black culture is not the consequence of racism in the sense that racism caused us- our culture today is more in the sense of whats left of african and many Hispanic traditions.


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"You're not proud of your genetic makeup like someone who is "white and proud"."

yes i am proud of my genetic make up but i think the ideology of a person who is "white and proud" is ignorant of the fact that human genetics are for the most part "heterogenous" as my research said..."there is as much genetic variation among the members of any given race as there is between different racial groups" if your ideology conflicts with that then you have a problem- my philosophy does not.

genetic make up IS who I am- and i am proud of who i am- as should anyone be.

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hope that clears up some of your disappointment.

K

  

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