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AfricanHerbsman

Tue Aug-15-00 12:06 AM

  
16. "Three terms to define:"
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>Faith, belief, knowledge - based on
>what (fatct, experience, teaching, study)?
>what does it give you
>(assurance, peace)?

belief..to me belief can include faith but it's the wider group..dunno - belief makes me think of conviction, having confidence in something outside yourself for whatever reason. needn't necessarily be 'truthful' (must be valid at least though) in that it relies on acceptance without empirical proof.

faith..it is belief, you can't have one without the other. could say faith is almost like belief without justification, no need for proof or concrete logic to it. but there's something submissive in it - like in religious terms, you accept that the bible is fundamentally truthful in itself - it's words are 'nobly intended' so you can stay true to it, and to yourself, I guess.

knowledge's a part of it too eg. that idea of promised salvation - which means you have to throw trust in the definition mix as well. but I find it's more often taught/demonstrated than studied orlearned independantly. sub-question: can you have different levels of faith, like degrees to it?

knowledge - credit to tank cause we we're talking about this..that's almost like the direct opposite of the above two. knowledge - to 'know': which to me is to understand via experience, (instead of vice versa as religion) to recognise - it's specific. study and grasp and comprehend. like janey said 'factual truth.'

the result of it all..dunno, they all satisfy a human need? like the nirvana quote in my signature..we've got to know, to adopt a stance, got to believe - I believe that..increasingly so.
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all we know is all we are.. - cobain/nirvana

  

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Religious motivation [View all] , delsbrothergeorge, Sun Jul-23-00 10:13 AM
 
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Three terms to define:
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