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8. "once again"
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>You
>see the problem is that
>people in the States believe
>that every issue should be
>decided democratically among the people.
>Not only is that
>unrealistic, but dangerous. Such
>laws that aren't established in
>comparison to previous law will
>cause conflict between the minority
>and the majority.

What you are describing is not democracy. It's bad management (are you surprised that a socialist thinks good management is important ?).

But there's a bigger problem with your statement.

You keep on talking about 'majority' and 'minority' like these are two well outlined groups of people that never change.

What is your definition of both ?
Rich people = minority ? Poor and middleclass = majority ?

What about rich people loosing their money or poor people getting richer ? What about the majority that is PRO guns ? They might be a minority when it comes to being PRO accessible health care, where does that leave you with your theory ?

>It's REALLY hard to add an
>Amendment to the Constitution here.
> If I'm not mistaken,
>it has to be approved
>by 75% of Congress, signed
>by the President (Slick Willie),
>and then approved by 75%
>of the state governments.
>If I'm not mistaking, the
>last amendment approved was the
>Compensation of Representatives Act in
>1992. Before that, 21
>yrs had passed since the
>last one, which gave 18
>yr olds the right to
>vote. There have only
>been 27 amendments passed in
>this country's 224 yr history.
> Other than that, all
>laws made must adhere to
>the Constitution.

My question is : what does this have to do with the US being a republic ? Show me how the US being non democratic and a constitution with only few amendments are directly correlated.

What makes you say this is impossible within a democracy ?

>That's not power to the people.
>That's power to the
>majority.

Correct. ALL PEOPLE is the majority, be it a rather overwhelming majority. I guess 100% majority is a majority too

>Remind me never to live in
>Europe. I don't like
>the idea of one large
>governmental body that can override
>national soverignities. But once
>again, I'm sure the EU
>isn't a democratic government.
>How are representatives chosen anyways?
>Appointed?

Too bad you felt so sure. Don't worry, you're wrong about more stuff.

>Alright. Bush is proposing a
>tax cut that essentially is
>set up that for every
>$10 dollars that the higher
>income earners get, a dime
>will go to the middle
>income earners and a penny
>to the lower income earners.
> Gore is complaining about
>this, saying it isn't fair.
> However what Gore isn't
>telling people is that's how
>the tax bracket here is
>set up, in which for
>every $10 dollars the rich
>pays, the middle class pays
>a dime and the poor
>a penny. Hence, they
>should get back as much
>as they paid. Understand
>now?

How about people who used to pay little taxes (since they were poor) all their life, have become extremely rich the last couple of years and will now get back those $10 when they only paid one penny ? And vice versa ? A poor guy who used to pay $10 (since he was rich) and now gets one penny ?

Great system indeed.

>The average
>American, if they had to
>pay taxes first before they
>could get their full income,
>would be working for the
>government until sometime in mid
>May.

They don't just work for the government. A lot of taxes are being used (at least over here on this 'terrible' continent Europe) for roads, schools, etcetera. Which means people benefit from that.

PLUS companies benefit too (roads for transport), schools prepare kids to be good employees with middleclass values, ...

>But see, that's the problem.
>When you allow the majority
>to control the government, as
>in democracy, that is making
>the government overtly powerful.
>Why? Because the majority
>is going to use the
>government to impose their will.

What's the problem if the majority = 100% ? Meaning that the government provides for all people ?

>I don't allow businesses to control
>my life. Alot of
>people seem to forget that
>you control who you do
>business with, not the other
>way around. Now if
>there are one or two
>businesses in that market, that's
>different,

You're not THAT naive, are you ?
AOL-Time Warner ?
Procter & Gamble ?
Ford ?
Dole ?
Microsoft ?

You don't control who you do business with. Sure, it was your 'free' choice to work with Windows and buy those Dole bananas...


>but competition spurs businesses
>to give the people the
>best products.

Sure, that's why we have cigarettes with addictive toxics in 'm, that's why General Motors got their asses sued for making faulty cars, KNOWING it and still continuing selling 'm (real reason : it was cheaper to keep it faulty and to pay insurance companies now and then than making the car safer)

>believe in government interaction with
>businesses, but only to the
>point where they eliminate fraud
>and cutthroat competition. That's
>it, that's all.

At least we agree on something.
But you plan on doing so with a small government with a $10 budget ? If you want to face billion dollar companies, you need to be at least as strong as them.

>That
>should be decided by the
>laws of that nation based
>on the Constitution (although I
>must say, you guys must
>not be too good at
>making constitutions).

What is your Constitution based on ? LOL. Sad man, no sense of history whatsoever.

>>(I went to university
>>in the UK for 3
>>years), and by the trouble
>>they're having in getting rid
>>of it, and the mess
>>they're making of doing that.
>
>Yeah well what do you expect,
>they're Brits....

Irony/sarcasm translates bad on the Web, ignorance doesn't.


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From the mind of Alexander Tyler [View all] , Expertise, Tue Aug-22-00 07:29 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
representative democracy
Aug 23rd 2000
1
RE: From the mind of Alexander Tyler
Aug 23rd 2000
2
Sure...
Aug 24th 2000
3
      Understand/Don't Understand
Aug 24th 2000
4
      RE: Understand/Don't Understand
Aug 25th 2000
6
          
           RE: once again
Aug 27th 2000
12
                ladidadidadida
Aug 27th 2000
14
                     more Procter & Gamble
Aug 27th 2000
15
                     RE: ladidadidadida
Aug 27th 2000
20
           RE: Understand/Don't Understand
Aug 25th 2000
9
                RE: Understand/Don't Understand
Aug 27th 2000
11
                     get your @$$ home son !
uncle_clarence_tomas
Aug 27th 2000
18
      RE: Sure...
Aug 25th 2000
5
           RE: Sure...
Aug 26th 2000
10
                blahblahblah
Aug 27th 2000
13
                     RE: blahblahblah
Aug 27th 2000
16
                          analyse
Aug 27th 2000
17
                               Krewcial, why are you still dealing with this fool?
Aug 27th 2000
19
                               RE: analyse
Aug 27th 2000
21
Voltaire, baby!
Aug 25th 2000
7
sorry I dropped out...
Aug 28th 2000
22
To Mke and Binlahab
Aug 28th 2000
23
RE: To Mke and Binlahab
Aug 29th 2000
26
RE: To Mke and Binlahab
Aug 29th 2000
30
man, dont put me in this
Aug 29th 2000
28
I meant Battousai
Aug 29th 2000
29
*Sigh* Since you called me out...
Aug 29th 2000
32
      RE: *Sigh* Since you called me out...
Aug 29th 2000
33
yes, I am replying to you
Aug 28th 2000
24
      RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 29th 2000
25
      RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 29th 2000
35
      RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 30th 2000
43
           round and round we go...
Aug 30th 2000
45
                RE: round and round we go...
Aug 30th 2000
48
                     keeping it short..
Aug 30th 2000
49
                          hey mke
Aug 31st 2000
50
                               RE: hey mke
Aug 31st 2000
51
      krewcial's 5 francs
Aug 30th 2000
37
           speaking of exploitation and "5 francs"...
Aug 30th 2000
38
           RE: krewcial's 5 francs
Aug 30th 2000
44
      RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 29th 2000
31
           RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 29th 2000
36
                RE: yes, I am replying to you
Aug 30th 2000
39
internet conservatives are funny, n/m
Aug 29th 2000
27
finally a good post! n/m
Aug 29th 2000
34
yaddayaddayadda
Aug 30th 2000
40
RE: yaddayaddayadda
Aug 30th 2000
41
glad to see this....
Aug 30th 2000
46
      true
Aug 30th 2000
47
Calling it a day
Aug 30th 2000
42

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