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15. "RE: That may be possibly the worse logic."
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>Simply because there is a need
>for teachers...

There is a need for QUALIFIED teachers. Yet teachers who come out of education college, more often than not are NOT QUALIFIED.

>So is it better to cram
>60 kids into a class
>meant for 30 becuase you
>can't get teachers, becuase you
>won't pay them?

It's not a question of won't, the question is of can't. Paying teachers is far different from paying athletes. Education money is mostly from property taxes. So to pay more to teachers, my boss needs to pay me more, so I can buy a more expensive house, so I can pay more property tax. And there are many communities that have children, but not a sufficient tax base to support them. In Texas we have a Robin hood program, in rich districts money goes to poor districts. But the effect has only been to marginally bring up the poor schools. Rich schools use other means.

Furthermore reducing class size has not been the answer. Politicians love to use it, cause it seems like a magic bullet. But they tried that in Nevada I believe. 25-->20. It didn't have a whole lot of effect on test scores. (mainly because to bring class sizes down they have to thin out on the quality of teachers).

>Or lose that engineer/accountant/lawyer that coaches
>& tutors after school, that
>guy that would be the
>ideal teacher, but refuses to
>be paid below what he
>is worth?

He wouldn't be. Education is one of those things that you actually need professional training for. The teachers that come in from alternative backgrounds, that only get their teaching certificates, burn out faster than teachers coming in straight from school.

There are 2 professional teacher colleges in the country. One is at Texas A&M actually. I'm using the adjective professional, like you would see it used for legal or medical training. In most education programs, students dont' see a classroom full of children until their final year. A professional program brings a college student/student teacher into the classroom within their 2nd year, and puts the college kid with a trained teacher/mentor.

I could go on and on with the problems of teacher preparation, but that's not the real issue here.

>The worse thing is all teachers
>aren't underpaid...just in city schools,
>where you actually need them...Do
>you know how much a
>Teacher in West Chester NY,
>Bala Cynwyd, PA or in
>Bergen County, NJ makes?
> Plenty.

I think plenty of teachers would disagree with you on the pay thing, but I know what you're talking about. My mom teaches in a white suburb. She's not making as much as her kid's parents, but it's not like she's teaching in Houston Independent School District.

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why don't we teach? [View all] , azucar18, Tue Sep-19-00 04:59 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
You raise some scary points
Sep 20th 2000
1
but let not point fingers...
black_engineer
Sep 20th 2000
3
      I think you misunderstood me
Sep 20th 2000
4
      value?
Sep 20th 2000
5
           SO
Sep 20th 2000
8
                Yes.
Sep 20th 2000
11
                     Hell No!
Sep 21st 2000
13
                     RE: Hell No!
Sep 21st 2000
16
                     That may be possibly the worse logic.
black_engineer
Sep 21st 2000
14
                         
                          RE: That may be possibly the worse logic.
black_engineer
Sep 21st 2000
17
                               you missed mine
Sep 21st 2000
26
                                    you stll missed mine
black_engineer
Sep 22nd 2000
27
                                         RE: you stll missed mine
Sep 22nd 2000
29
                                              Jumping in just for a second
Sep 22nd 2000
30
                          Engineer?
Sep 21st 2000
20
                               that was directed a K.orr......
black_engineer
Sep 21st 2000
21
      word on that...
d-Best
Sep 21st 2000
22
           RE: word on that...
Sep 21st 2000
23
For me its the money.
black_engineer
Sep 20th 2000
2
agreed...
DELTA1393
Sep 21st 2000
25
It's a hard job!!!
Sep 20th 2000
6
that's the worse reason to teach.
black_engineer
Sep 20th 2000
7
i feel yo pain
Sep 20th 2000
9
RE: isn't enough emphasis and focus on ed. n/m
Sep 20th 2000
10
RE: why don't we teach?
Sep 20th 2000
12
Pay me.
black_engineer
Sep 21st 2000
19
RE: why don't we teach?
ukaa
Sep 26th 2000
31
Well...
Sep 21st 2000
18
What's worse????
Sep 21st 2000
24
go to a black college
Sep 22nd 2000
28

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