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16. "How is seperatism possible?"
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Especially when the problems facing "Black America" have come about IN RELATION to the world (and predominantly the white paradigm) that they live in? How is seperation possible when we must all interact with each other in multi-cultural Amerikkka. If the ROOT of the problem is not addressed, then the problems will persist. The ROOT is not the FACT that black and white share a common geography ... its that white people can't stop being racist in the face of all this diversity. It's that we all haven't made the sincere effort to learn each other's languages, to be versed in each other's histories, to see the world through each other's eyes.

Basically seperatism depends on one's ability to isolate onesself from others deemed "outside" ones' group. It's a nationalist move, and to be nationalist is to create community through exclusions. But how are these exclusions determined? So often, nationalist/seperatist politics hold a very narrow definition of "blackness" that is often exclusionary of non-heterosexual people, biracial people, and occasionaly people of African decent that live outside of the U.S. So the quesiton becomes: who do you want to seperate? Who gets to determine this? What about seperations within ethnic groups? What about two-tiered "class" systems based on gender, religion, and sexual preference? And if you decide to "work out" these differences within a given group, why not envision the possibility of working them out within a larger social group?

Just food for thought.

I also gotta say that I'm all for seperatist politics in some situations over others: S. Africa, for example. I just think within a country like the US, it's not at all practical to enact seperatist politics without reinforcing the larger social/political/economic/ethnic problems within the larger context (multicultural America).

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Does separatism=racism? [View all] , Phraktal, Thu Sep-21-00 01:23 PM
 
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....are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Sep 21st 2000
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We are de facto separated now
Sep 22nd 2000
2
RE: We are de facto separated now
Sep 22nd 2000
4
RE: We are de facto separated now
Phraktal
Sep 22nd 2000
5
      if you're serious
Sep 22nd 2000
8
      very serious
Phraktal
Sep 22nd 2000
12
           How serious?
Sep 22nd 2000
13
      Japan
Sep 22nd 2000
10
           ask the Koreans living there ...
Sep 22nd 2000
17
i agree 100%
Sep 22nd 2000
3
we separated the issues.....
Sep 22nd 2000
6
RE: we separated the issues.....
Phraktal
Sep 22nd 2000
7
      RE: we separated the issues.....
Sep 22nd 2000
9
Simply put
Sep 22nd 2000
11
that's very selfish of you
soyful
Sep 22nd 2000
14
RE: that's very selfish of you
Phraktal
Sep 22nd 2000
15
RE: How is seperatism possible?
Itrans
Sep 22nd 2000
18
      RE: How is seperatism possible?
d-Best
Sep 25th 2000
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RE: Does separatism=racism?
Sep 25th 2000
20
men have a hard time multi-tasking ...
Sep 26th 2000
27
      ya know?!?! n/m
Sep 26th 2000
29
Thanks
Phraktal
Sep 25th 2000
21
elitism?
Sep 25th 2000
22
      RE: elitism?
Phraktal
Sep 25th 2000
23
           RE: elitism?
Sep 25th 2000
24
           RE: elitism?
Sep 26th 2000
28
                RE: elitism?
Phraktal
Sep 26th 2000
30
                     Seperation from status quo
Sep 27th 2000
31
RE: Does separatism=racism?
diosa
Sep 26th 2000
25
race matters
Sep 26th 2000
26

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