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49. "RE: No one is saying that shakespeare isn't a great writer"
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Nahymsa I think we are basically in agreement here, on the basic point that kids ought to be exposed to a wide variety of cultural perspectives within their education.

>That's you. That's my point. Other
>people have been effected by
>other authors JUST as much.

I never said he is the only author worthy of being taught. I'm all in favor of exposing kids to a wide variety of literary perspectives. But why shouldn't Shakespeare be one of those? His greatness may be a matter of taste but his influence is indisputable, it looms in the work of countless writers.

>Maybe more would have that
>same feeling about a different
>author if the entire school
>system shoved that author down
>the throats of a generations
>of impressionable children (including stating
>time & time again that
>this is the best english
>author ever).

Well, just cuz they told us 10,000 times that he was important doesn't mean it ain't true. Shakespeare's prominence in Western literature, and the American literature that evolved from it, is not a myth concocted by grade-school propagandists. If you are saying that this European and (white) American literature should not be the sole focus of the curriculum, I'd certainly agree. But they ought not be ignored either.

Anyway, I think the way Shakespeare is "shoved down our throats" only serves to alienate most kids from his work. It is only when I came back to him as an adult, on my own terms, that I really appreciated how dope he is.

If Zora Neale Hurston had that stamp of approval from the Establishment, and was mandatory reading in every grade school, kids would assume she was outdated and corny, just like they do with Shakespeare.

I taught Special Ed for 6 years, and I think young folks are more cynical than you give them credit for. The more teachers tell kids "so-and-so is the greatest", the LESS likely they are to believe it, because kids of ALL colors see teachers as the oppressor.

> part of the reason
>you even know who he
>is is because certain people
>have deemed it necessary for
>you to learn about him.
>Had it not been a
>requirement (while other art isn't)
>perhaps you'd have a different
>perspective.

Yeah, like I said above I'd probably have been more open-minded and receptive.

>The sociopolitical agenda of
>those who set the requirements
>for education may have as
>much to do with why
>children read Shakespeare now as
>the actual art.

Perhaps. But my point was that the politics surrounding Shakespeare's status as required reading do nothing to alter the intrinsic artistic value of the literature itself.

All I'm saying is I think Shakespeare is the bomb, and it'd be a shame if folks don't give him a fair shot cuz he's seen as a Tool of the Oppressor.

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I'm gonna catch Hell for this [View all] , MisterGrump, Mon Sep-11-00 07:25 PM
 
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Not fresh in my head
Sep 11th 2000
1
whats wrong with learning
Sep 18th 2000
66
I'm gonna catch Hell for this
AfricanHerbsman
Sep 12th 2000
2
RE: I'm gonna catch Hell for this
Sep 15th 2000
64
      RE: I'm gonna catch Hell for this
Oct 06th 2000
72
I have questions too
Sep 12th 2000
3
I don't see the problem ...
Sep 12th 2000
4
you forgot...
Sep 12th 2000
5
yeah, but
Sep 12th 2000
6
RE: I don't see the problem ...
Sep 12th 2000
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      RE: I don't see the problem ...
Sep 12th 2000
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      RE: I don't see the problem ...
Sep 12th 2000
12
           RE: I don't see the problem ...
Sep 12th 2000
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                Eff them
Sep 13th 2000
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                     I find it strange
Sep 13th 2000
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                     RE: Eff them
Sep 13th 2000
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      well
Sep 13th 2000
19
      RE: well
Sep 13th 2000
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           RE: well
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                RE: well
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                correct
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28
      RE: I don't see the problem ...
Sep 18th 2000
67
           fail
Oct 05th 2000
71
RE: I have questions too
Sep 13th 2000
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god
Sep 16th 2000
65
actually...
Sep 12th 2000
7
THE LYRICS
Sep 12th 2000
8
hmmm- reminds me of Pink Floyd
Oct 06th 2000
74
they schools...
Sep 12th 2000
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Aiight!
Sep 12th 2000
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My own personal Aiight!
d-Best
Sep 12th 2000
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OKAY!
Sep 13th 2000
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SUPER late, but I've been to Rickards
Sep 18th 2000
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RE: Aiight!
Sep 18th 2000
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Is this about DP's or black education?
Sep 13th 2000
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watch it....
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      Studying language
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           but that's not what I'm saying
Sep 13th 2000
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                and...
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                to address everyone....
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                     Word.
Sep 13th 2000
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                     No one is saying that shakespeare isn't a great writer
Sep 14th 2000
39
                         
                               I agree
Sep 14th 2000
55
                     Shakespeare to English is not
Sep 14th 2000
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                          a thought
Sep 14th 2000
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                          True..that's without question
Sep 14th 2000
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                               True
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                                    True, but check what I'm saying.
Sep 14th 2000
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                                         RE: True, but check what I'm saying.
Sep 14th 2000
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                          RE: Shakespeare to English is not
Sep 14th 2000
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                          what are you missing here???
Sep 14th 2000
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                          Shakespeare is to englis literature what
Sep 15th 2000
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                               then....
Sep 15th 2000
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                          Shakespeare's writing
Oct 06th 2000
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                I understand
Sep 14th 2000
36
                     counteract/suppliment/compliment?
Sep 14th 2000
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                     counteract sometimes
Sep 14th 2000
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                          just making sure
Sep 14th 2000
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                               who decides what's best to know
Sep 14th 2000
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                                    RE: who decides what's best to know
Sep 14th 2000
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                                         I ain't fussin' - sorry
Sep 14th 2000
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                                              But
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                                                   the parent that chooses to home school
Sep 14th 2000
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                     RE: I understand
Sep 14th 2000
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                          We're in a bad situation
Sep 14th 2000
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                               so it's a vicious circle
Sep 14th 2000
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                                    Integrated schools maybe important
Sep 14th 2000
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                                         lots to think about
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                                              RE: lots to think about - this is long
Sep 15th 2000
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i lived the life you talkin
Sep 14th 2000
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the disparity
Sep 14th 2000
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short-term/long-term..
AfricanHerbsman
Sep 15th 2000
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Let's make it practical...
Sep 19th 2000
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RE: Let's make it practical...
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