>Winter-Sis.Souljah Book Discuss."
>November book discussion of Coldest Winter
>Ever by Sister Souljah. I
>am using the paperback book
>as my reference.
>Let's discuss
>--Are the characters well developed?
well developed...hmmmm they aren't shallow characters...but, they could be fuller than they were.
>--Do you think Midnight is a
>believable character?
yes and no. yes, in how winter's perceives him, there are brothers like him walking around, and how he comes across having one foot in good/one in bad that's quiet rather believable too.. but over all he could stand some rounding out as well.
>--How does this compare to her
>first book No Disrespect?
Well I didn't read that one so I cant comment.
>--What do ya'll think of the
>books definition of a 'Bad
>Bitch', do you agree, disagree,
>and how would u define
I use this phrase myself..and that's entirely another discussion ...The definition as Winter's mother gives it ...is incomplete as I define it.... not only would a bad bitch have her physical together..but she would have her financial, and mental together..independent of a man. If you really bad you can take care of self in those resepcts and not be dependent.
>a 'bad bitch'
>(p. 4 & 41)
>--What was your favorite scene/quote from
>the book? This is not really my favorite but rather I can see it happening...when she's at the party and there going through the groupies to see which one is going upstairs to be with GS.
but i did like the exchange between sister and midnight in the letters.
>I liked p.135 Midnight says, "sometimes
>a smart man can see
>everything and everybody but he
>can't see himself. Your father
>was smart but sometimes he
>let women influence him to
>make moves he knew he
>shouldn't make".
>also p. 104 Winter says,"normally i'd
>be plotting on a party.
>now i was plotting on
>survival"
>--Although the book is fiction what/who
>do u think Sister Souljah
>is responding to or challenging
>in this book? women/girls like winter and her mother. her character would have you believe she was smart, but she's not she's just slick all apart of that getting over, get on, get as much as you can mentality that is far too common these days.

>--One of the most interesting things
>in the book for me
>is how the Santiaga family
>played the victim role. They
>were in a life of
>crime and drugs but when
>thangs went sour they acted
>as if they had been
>puritans. When u do wrong,
>wrong comes back to ya.
>The higher up u r
>the harder u fall.
Interesting ,but i'm thinking probably true to life... people can and will justify alot of things in the name of money and getting theirs as we all know. And then there's the whole argument well if i didn't do somebody else would it wouldn't stop, never admitting or understanding that their are 2 sides to that coin what you do is on you, what they do is a different matter to be discussed later.
>--Were ya'll surprised to find out
>that Ricky Santiaga had another
>kid, a son?
NO, but the mother sure was.
>--What did ya'll think of the
>male relationships Souljah had with
>GS and Midnight. I think
>these relationships reflect the lessons
>she learned, as discussed in
>No Disrespect. So for me
>this I could pull things
>from No Disrespect that she
>tried to follow up with
>in this book.
they seemed true to life ...GS?midnight they both have their good and bad points but u gotta go for the complete person...GS is in transition...groupies living wild....come to her for a sense of reality and perspective, to not have to be "on", in character. Midnight the brother with potetial but can't see his way clear... you can't get the matche' and clear the path for him he has to come that conclusion himself otherwise you get sucked in to some shit you don't want to do or be apart of.

>--Bullet, the dog scene and when
>he sexed her after the
>abortion. She knew he was
>shady but she felt she
>had no other options. He
>was crazy...... She felt she had no options cause she bought into the hype that a nigga with money is where it's at ...and the only means of doing..when she could have easily done for self.
>--Her mother the originator of the
>'bad bitch' description turns out
>to be a crackhead. But
>I wasn't to surprised, she
>said that Ricky was her
>sun, moon, stars, and after
>he went down she was
>dead on the inside. Damn....... What's really bad is after the shooting when they are on the train and winter don't wanna claim her mother or have her mom's back..that is just just shameful...then later on you aren't surprised when bullet looks at her moms in disgust or when winter pushes the vial in through the slot and never speaks, or claims her.
>
>--p. 330 "Have you ever seen
>an aggressive, confident man with
>broke pockets and no business?
>Do you remember him? Do
>you respect him?
>What did ya'll think of this
>exchange?
I will have to get back to ya on this i dont have the book in front of me
>--What do ya'll think was Winters
>weakness?
slick and easy....her methodlogy was all fucked up..thought she was getting over...and wasn't just gettin deeper...wanting it all quickly..no dues paying..hell evenr her father had to work to build his drug empire.
>--What do ya'll think was her
>fathers weakness, Ricky Santiaga?
It wasn't the mother or winter it was he mistook his lack of control for control. in his "business" dealings he had some ...but he was right once he moved away he couldnt dictate or see what was going on. his workers, and family weren't under his control either...they were all in it for self ....u can't have any kind of unit with a mentality of self as opposed to one..as in one unit.
>--The end, the mothers funeral. Porshe
>was Winter reincarnated. I think
>that Winter should have given
>her sister some advice, that
>whole live and learn argument
>is some bullish. I think
>this is the mindset a
>lot of folks have that
>they can't tell someone else
>how to live their life,
>each person must learn their
>own lessons. I disagree with
>this b/c if I had
>some effed up things happen
>to me I wouldn't want
>the next person to go
>through the same things. I
>think Winter should have said
>something and if Porshe didn't
>take heed that was on
>her, but Winter would have
>done her part by talking
>to her.
ditto and likewise...
but alot of people do have this philosphy that u gotta let people make their own mistakes, your aren't your brother's keeper, your have no responisbilty to other people, family, community it all goes back to mentality of self and getting over.
>OKAY, ya'll add your opinions, likes,
>dislikes, etc.
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