okay... i see your what we are disagreeing about more clearly now...i think. in theory im not buying this "reality" thing. aside from the issue of sanity i just don't belive that this reality that we are being presented with is neccessarily "the truth." so when i think about "crazy" people being out of touch with reality well i dont think any of us are really in touch with "reality". ---in theory...cuz see i still gotta look both ways when i cross the street....but in the realm of ideas i don't think we can honestly create a consistent category for insanity ________________________________________ -representin the real since tuesday -illified illustrated