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6. "Amazing"
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Hotep

>the answer is islam. islam means
>"submission", therefore submission to God
>has always existed since Adam
>and Eve.

Did a concept of "Adam and Eve" exist before the Old Testament and subsequently the New Testament and the Quran? No, moving on...


but, we all
>know how they were "unsubmissive"
>and basically got the boot
>from paradise. and after that,
>they were remorseful, asked for
>forgiveness, and became "submissive" again.
>nobody ever used to worship
>statues, "gods", stars, or anything
>except God. think about it.
>how can someone worship something
>that didnt exist, or that
>they didnt know anything about.
>and this was the case
>with adam and eve.

what do you mean "stars" didn't exist? According to Bible (I do not know about the Quran), the STARS were created BEFORE MAN.

but,
>as more people started to
>exist, diff. ideas started to
>exist too. there used to
>be only one way of
>life (religion), now there are
>a million and one ways
>of life (religion). just like
>there used to be only
>one person, and now there
>are a billion people.


What way of life is this? The problem is that you use "submission to God" and "islam" interchangeably. Though conceptually this IS the meaning of Islam, the manner in which it is practice varies from person to person. Although Christianity has been spread or introduced to peoples throughout the world, Islam (as determined by the Quran) HASN'T. The fact that is has to be SPREAD (Christianity included) show that it is NOT in fact INHERENT to all peoples.

>
>"Did Arabs not conquer northern africa
>and its people and force
>them to pratice Islam in
>the same way that Christians
>came with rifles and bibles?"
>

This is not totally true. Although in some cases it was spread by force, it also became a "religion of convenience." In many cases the religion was spread through usage of the oral and written Arabic language which was the favored mode of communication during the Tran-saharan Trade. Also in cases where Islam represented the religion of the ruling body, conversion to Islam represented many societal benefits. In many cases (particularly in Egypt), Christians (contrary to popular belief) were not persecuted but Muslim were given special privileges that increased greater social stratification and wealth. However indigenous belief systems were often shunned and its adherents persecuted because of unlike Christianity or Judaism, they were not "People of the Book" meaning that they were purely "pagans" and "heathens.

PEAce
Solarus

"Activism is the practice of using an internal, self-determining source of power to live one's life and/or enact some sort of change. Power is the ability to define reality, while self-determination is to decide or define one's self. Therefore activism, is not simply something done to right some wrong or to fight some cause but rather it is a way of life. Activism is the way of life where one can define self and change anything that may impede or control the reality that one chooses to live."-Solarus


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Islam=Natural Relegion? [View all] , MellofromGI, Sun Feb-25-01 01:19 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: Islam=Natural Relegion?
avant_garde
Feb 25th 2001
1
RE: Islam=Natural Relegion?
Feb 25th 2001
2
RE: Amazing
Feb 26th 2001
8
      RE: Amazing
Stanklove
Feb 26th 2001
9
      RE: Amazin
Feb 26th 2001
10
           RE: Amazin
Stanklove
Feb 27th 2001
11
                Thank you!
Feb 27th 2001
12
                RE: Amazin
Feb 28th 2001
14
      RE: Amazing
that thang
Feb 28th 2001
22
           RE: Amazing
Feb 28th 2001
24
                RE: Amazing
that thang
Feb 28th 2001
25
                     RE: Amazing
Feb 28th 2001
26
What religion is native to Africa?
Feb 28th 2001
18
      That's "pagan."
Feb 28th 2001
20
           you know we were all heathens
Feb 28th 2001
23
islam is natural
Feb 25th 2001
3
RE: islam is natural
aristo
Feb 28th 2001
27
by the sword..
Feb 25th 2001
4
RE: by the sword..
Feb 25th 2001
5
African Christianity isn't...
Feb 26th 2001
7
      RE: African Christianity isn't...
PanthersPride
Feb 27th 2001
13
           This isn't true
Feb 28th 2001
15
                RE: Slave Manumission in Islam
Feb 28th 2001
19
first muslims were black,
Isa_Sabur
Feb 28th 2001
16
RE: Islam=Natural Relegion?
cantlie
Feb 28th 2001
17
RE: Islam=Natural Relegion?
Feb 28th 2001
21

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