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the progressive ideal, don't get it twisted. And i have no qualms at all with him being criticized and called out when he messes up. He was infinitely better for America and for African Americans in particular, than Bush the Elder, or Ronald Satan. But he also did more than his share in propping up the status quo. The cynical gamesmanship of allowing the killitary industrial complex to continue to grow unabated is inexcusable, for one (remember all those speeches in which he one-upped the republicans by saying that he'd give the pentagon even more money than their greedy asses asked for?). I didn't check out all the pardons that he handed down, but he had a couple commendable ones, like the pardons of the two black women railroaded under the republican-led (and democratic abetted) mandatory minimum sentencing laws. That was cool. But to also hand out pardons to multimillionaire financiers convicted of fraud, and a whole list of other unsavory cats like that? Uncool.

if you believe the clippings on the man, one of his primary motiviations has been the need to be historically significant -- its why he kept trying to revive Arab/Israeli summits up until his last hours in the oval office. given that inclination, how could he self-justify a whole bunch of pardons that give the appearance of some type of quid pro quo arrangement? he either a) didn't think anyone would notice, b) truly believed they were the right thing to do (ha), or c) did it on purpose to stick his middle finger up at the republicans.

i'm picking (c).

on libertarians:

they're a funny bunch, but consistent. like dude said, depending the issue, they're likely to come down on the side of the traditional left or right, but i tend to view the slant as more right leaning, since, in my view, pure fiscal conservatism works to the detriment of people of color, poor people, the middle class, and well, the majority of people of the world.

but like i said they're consistent. they will break ranks w/ get tough law and order types on the 4th ammendment, and will stand up against intrusive law enforcement. they're also likely (in my experience) to favor decriminalization of victimless crimes like drug use. where i differ with them is on taxes, the role of government, etc. i personally have no probs paying taxes, providing my government (governor, dog catcher, president, whoeva) does reasonable shit with my money. i'm not under the illusion that i'm going to agree with EVERYTHING they do, but as long as its reasonably in the best interest of society, provides value, and addresses some of my needs/concerns, i can tolerate it. its a necessary evil under capitalism. i can have $50, but i can't go out and build a road. if everybody in the county puts their $50, though, we can build a road, nahmean?

also, the decentralization of government and all that laissez faire hoopla places a degree of trust in our fellow men/women that i feel is naive. this is where i differ w/ any fiscal conservative, because they usually (generalization based upon years of reading editorials, plus conversations with people who parrot said editorials) will run some line like the only color is green, and that the market can take care of things like discrimination, etc, because they don't make economic sense. well we have hundreds of years of history of the folks in power in this country (gov't and private citizens/companies) doing things exactly opposite to their best interest because their racial animus supercedes their need to make a buck.

but then again, the aclu is mad consistent too, and i don't agree with everything they say by a long stretch either. protecting the klan's right to march and shit, they can catch a brick, quick.

to net it out: 1) if bill was wrong, he was wrong. i have no problems recognizing the good that he did while others point out his failings.

2) i usually disagree with libertarians on political stuff, but give them props for consistencies sake. the difference btw them and republicans is that republicans are for no government on fiscal matters and big government on moral matters (abortion, etc...). libertarians are for no government at all (so i only disagree w/ them half as much).

peace & blessings,

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peace & blessings,

x.

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The Clinton Pardons [View all] , Expertise, Fri Feb-23-01 04:04 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
RE: The Clinton Pardons
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
1
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 23rd 2001
2
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 23rd 2001
3
      What's your point? n/m
Feb 25th 2001
21
           well what was YOURS? n/m
Feb 28th 2001
43
      Geez you're an idiot
Feb 24th 2001
4
      RE: Geez you're an idiot
Feb 25th 2001
20
      What the fuck!?!?!
Feb 28th 2001
31
      RE: What the fuck!?!?!
Feb 28th 2001
32
           I apoligize
Feb 28th 2001
38
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
MOON
Feb 28th 2001
37
           could they?
Mar 01st 2001
44
                Hell Bent
Mar 01st 2001
48
                     Wrong
Mar 01st 2001
51
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 24th 2001
5
RE: The Clinton Pardons
ms hannum
Feb 24th 2001
6
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 24th 2001
7
      RE: The Clinton Pardons
Eli B
Feb 24th 2001
12
      I'm not sure if he can free Mumia
Feb 25th 2001
16
           RE: I'm not sure if he can free Mumia
Feb 25th 2001
23
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 25th 2001
22
2nd time I agree with Expertise
Feb 24th 2001
8
Prove it
Feb 24th 2001
9
RE: Prove it
Feb 24th 2001
10
      RE: Prove it
cocopuffs68
Feb 24th 2001
11
           RE: Prove it
Feb 25th 2001
13
                Don't you think...
Mar 01st 2001
45
RE: 2nd time I agree with Expertise
Feb 28th 2001
33
      The joke before election day
Feb 28th 2001
40
It's called revenge.
Feb 25th 2001
14
and to tarnish...
Feb 25th 2001
15
      Thank you.
Feb 25th 2001
17
check the sig. n/m
Feb 25th 2001
18
RE: the savings and loan controversy..
Feb 25th 2001
19
The hell you been reading?
Feb 25th 2001
24
      RE: one more thing.
Feb 26th 2001
26
           Hey, can you PLEASE
Feb 26th 2001
27
Curious???
Feb 26th 2001
25
Libertarians
Feb 26th 2001
28
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
30
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
39
      RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
41
           RE: Libertarians
Mar 01st 2001
49
RE: Libertarians
Feb 28th 2001
35
RE: Curious???
Feb 28th 2001
29
      well
Feb 28th 2001
36
      by the way...
Mar 01st 2001
46
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Feb 28th 2001
34
RE: The Clinton Pardons
Mr_Sarcastic_tha_Antagonist
Mar 01st 2001
47
I'm canadian, so I don't know but...
Mar 01st 2001
50
FREE PELTIER
uNity
Mar 02nd 2001
52

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